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From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v4] devicetree: Add generic IOMMU device tree bindings
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:23:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140710102334.GG2449@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140710094909.GA21583@ulmo>

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 10:49:10AM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 07:10:48PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 03:21:27PM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > Anything beyond that (e.g. logical grouping of masters) isn't directly
> > > within the scope of the binding (it doesn't describe hardware but some
> > > policy pertaining to some specific use-case).
> > 
> > This *is* for hardware. I can use PCI as an example, but this could equally
> > apply to other types of bus. If you have a bunch of PCI master devices
> > sitting being a non-transparent bridge, they can end up sharing the same
> > master device ID (requester ID). This means that there is no way in the
> > IOMMU to initialise a translation for one of these devices without also
> > affecting the others. We currently have iommu_groups to deal with this, but
> > it *is* a property of the hardware and we absolutely need a way to describe
> > it. I'm happy to add it later, but we need to think about it now to avoid
> > merging something that can't easily be extended.
> > 
> > For PCI, the topology is probable but even then, we need this information to
> > describe the resulting master device ID emitted by the bridge for the
> > upstream group. One way to do this with your binding would be to treat all
> > of the upstream masters as having the same device ID.
> 
> Yes, I think that makes most sense. After all from the IOMMU's point of
> view requests from all devices behind the bridge will originate from the
> same ID.
> 
> So technically it's not really correct to encode the master ID within
> each of the devices, but rather they should be inheriting the ID from
> the non-transparent bridge.

Indeed. Is that possible with your binding, or would we just duplicate the
IDs between the masters?

> > With virtualisation, we may want to assign a group of devices to a guest but
> > without emulating the bridge. This would need something the device-tree to
> > describe that they are grouped together.
> 
> But that's also a software decision, isn't it? Virtualization doesn't
> have anything to do with the hardware description. Or am I missing
> something? Of course I guess you could generate a DTB for the guest and
> group device together, in which case you're pretty much free to do what
> you want since you're essentially defining your own hardware.

If you're doing device passthrough and you want to allow the guest to
program the IOMMU, I think that virtualisation is directly related to the
hardware description, since the guest will be bound by physical properties
of the system.

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-10 10:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-04 15:29 [PATCH v4] devicetree: Add generic IOMMU device tree bindings Thierry Reding
2014-07-09 13:40 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-09 14:21   ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-09 18:10     ` Will Deacon
2014-07-10  9:49       ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-10 10:23         ` Will Deacon [this message]
2014-07-10 10:57           ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-10 12:38             ` Will Deacon
2014-07-11 20:55 ` Rob Clark
2014-07-12  9:39   ` Will Deacon
2014-07-12 11:26     ` Rob Clark
2014-07-12 12:22       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-07-12 12:57         ` Rob Clark
2014-07-13  9:43           ` Will Deacon
2014-07-13 11:43             ` Rob Clark
2014-07-16  1:25               ` Olav Haugan
2014-07-16 10:10                 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-16 20:24                 ` Rob Clark
2014-07-14  6:44             ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-14 10:08               ` Will Deacon
2014-07-14  6:24           ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-14 10:13             ` Rob Clark
2014-07-14  6:15         ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-30 11:04 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-30 13:23   ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-30 13:33     ` Joerg Roedel
2014-07-30 17:37       ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-30 14:30     ` Will Deacon
2014-07-30 18:08       ` Rob Herring
2014-07-30 20:11     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-07-30 15:26 ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-30 17:35   ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-30 18:18     ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-31 10:09       ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-31 10:50         ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-31 11:14           ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-31  9:51     ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-31  8:39   ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-31  9:22     ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-31 10:18       ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-31 10:23         ` Joerg Roedel
2014-07-31 10:46           ` Thierry Reding

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