From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v4] devicetree: Add generic IOMMU device tree bindings
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:08:13 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140714100813.GC1779@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140714064452.GD2081@ulmo>
Hi Thierry,
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 07:44:53AM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 10:43:41AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > My plan for the ARM SMMU driver is:
> >
> > (1) Change ->probe() to walk the device-tree looking for all masters with
> > phandles back to the SMMU instance being probed
>
> You and Rob mentioned this several times and I don't understand why the
> SMMU needs to know all masters up front. Is this necessary because it
> needs to program all registers at .probe() time and they can't be
> reprogrammed subsequently? Or is this just some kind of optimization?
It's an optimization to reduce resource usage in the IOMMU, but one that
is *required* by certain platforms (e.g. Olav mentioned his 43-ID master
and Calxeda had something similar).
Basically, in order to perform an ->attach() for a master to a domain, we
need complete knowledge of the system so that we can avoid accidentally
attaching other masters to the same domain. The programming is done using
a form of StreamID wildcarding, so at this point we would need to have
parsed the entire DT to ensure our wildcard doesn't match other masters.
> > (2) For each master, extract the Stream IDs and add them to the internal
> > SMMU driver data structures (an rbtree per SMMU instance). For
> > hotpluggable buses, we'll need a way for the bus controller to
> > reserve a range of IDs -- this will likely be a later extension to
> > the binding.
> >
> > (3) When we get an ->add() call, warn if it's a device we haven't seen
> > and reject the addition.
>
> It seems to me like this would be the logical place to parse stream IDs.
We could do that only if we were guaranteed to have an ->add() call for
*every* master before an ->attach() call for *any* master. I don't think
that is necessarily true.
> You could for example have a case where some device tree contains a node
> for which no driver will ever be loaded (for example because it hasn't
> been built-in, or the device is never used and the module is therefore
> never loaded). That's a situation that you cannot determine by simply
> walking the device tree in the IOMMU's .probe().
Why not? If we're simply searching for phandles to the IOMMU, why does it
matter whether a driver is bound to the master?
> I've always thought about IOMMU masters much in the same way as other
> types of resources, such as memory or interrupts. In the rest of the
> kernel we do carefully try to postpone allocation of these resources
> until they are required, specifically so we don't waste resources when
> they're unused.
See above, they are all required the moment anybody tries an ->attach().
> That's also one of the reasons why I think associating an IOMMU with the
> bus type is bad. Currently if an IOMMU driver thinks it should enable
> translation for a given device, then there's no way for that device's
> driver to opt out again. There may be reasons (performance, hardware
> bugs, ...) for the driver to decide against using the IOMMU for
> translation, but there's currently no way to do that if the IOMMU driver
> disagrees.
Yes, we need a way to associate an IOMMU with a bus instance, but I think
that's a separate topic, no?
Will
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-07-14 10:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-07-04 15:29 [PATCH v4] devicetree: Add generic IOMMU device tree bindings Thierry Reding
2014-07-09 13:40 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-09 14:21 ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-09 18:10 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-10 9:49 ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-10 10:23 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-10 10:57 ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-10 12:38 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-11 20:55 ` Rob Clark
2014-07-12 9:39 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-12 11:26 ` Rob Clark
2014-07-12 12:22 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-07-12 12:57 ` Rob Clark
2014-07-13 9:43 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-13 11:43 ` Rob Clark
2014-07-16 1:25 ` Olav Haugan
2014-07-16 10:10 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-16 20:24 ` Rob Clark
2014-07-14 6:44 ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-14 10:08 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2014-07-14 6:24 ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-14 10:13 ` Rob Clark
2014-07-14 6:15 ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-30 11:04 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-30 13:23 ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-30 13:33 ` Joerg Roedel
2014-07-30 17:37 ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-30 14:30 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-30 18:08 ` Rob Herring
2014-07-30 20:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-07-30 15:26 ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-30 17:35 ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-30 18:18 ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-31 10:09 ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-31 10:50 ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-31 11:14 ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-31 9:51 ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-31 8:39 ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-31 9:22 ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-31 10:18 ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-31 10:23 ` Joerg Roedel
2014-07-31 10:46 ` Thierry Reding
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