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From: thierry.reding@gmail.com (Thierry Reding)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH v3 6/7] arm: call iommu_init before of_platform_populate
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:37:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141014133757.GA2217@ulmo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4378271.6Q6s1JjOus@wuerfel>

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 03:20:46PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 October 2014 16:07:38 Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 September 2014 09:44:25 Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 23 September 2014 09:02:39 Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > > I see two problems with using deferred probing here:
> > > > > 
> > > > > - we don't actually need to defer the probing but the binding to the
> > > > >   driver when no dma ops are set, but it seems silly to even create the
> > > > >   device before we can find out which ops it should use.
> > > > 
> > > > What does device creation have to do with anything? Surely a device
> > > > won't need IOMMU services before the device is bound to a driver.
> > > 
> > > The problem is that the driver will start using the IOMMU as soon
> > > as it calls dma_map_*, but that happens at runtime, not necessarily
> > > during the probe function.
> > > 
> > > So we can get into the weird situation that probe() returns success,
> > > but then you can't use the device yet because you don't know whether
> > > it is supposed to use an IOMMU or not.
> > 
> > If we want IOMMU devices to be supported by common device drivers we need to 
> > defer probing of the master devices, there's no doubt about that. Earlier 
> > approaches that hooked up into the device core code were rejected, but it 
> > should be possible to use bus notifiers to achieve the same result (with the 
> > drawback of having to register one notifier per bus). The 
> > BUS_NOTIFY_BIND_DRIVER notifier can then just return -EPROBE_DEFER when a 
> > iommus property is available and points to an IOMMU not registered yet. I'm 
> > not saying we have to do this, but I believe that at least from a technical 
> > point of view it could be done.
> 
> I think that fundamentally speaking, relying on notifiers for something like
> this is very problematic, both in terms of maintainability and reliability.
> We should really try to get the notifiers out of the iommu handling, not put
> more of them in.

Agreed. Also last time I checked the driver core simply ignored the
return value from notifiers, therefore this wouldn't work without
changing the core either.

Still, I agree with Laurent that we really should be relying on probe
deferral for probe ordering. And while it's true that earlier attempts
to put this into the core were rejected, I think there's still value in
proposing it again. The alternative proposed here is similarly close to
the core and needs to duplicated for every architecture. That itself is
to me a strong indication that this really does belong in the core.

I think initially this was proposed to become part of really_probe() and
I still think that's where it belongs. There's precedent for it with the
pinctrl_bind_pins() call, though it seems like Greg regrets allowing
that into the core. Perhaps if really_probe() is "too core", then
platform_drv_probe() would be a better candidate?

Thierry
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  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-14 13:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-12 16:34 [RFC PATCH v3 0/7] Introduce automatic DMA configuration for IOMMU masters Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 1/7] iommu: provide early initialisation hook for IOMMU drivers Will Deacon
2014-09-18 14:31   ` Robin Murphy
2014-09-22 17:35     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 2/7] dma-mapping: replace set_arch_dma_coherent_ops with arch_setup_dma_ops Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 3/7] iommu: add new iommu_ops callback for adding an OF device Will Deacon
2014-09-15 11:57   ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-09-17  1:39     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 4/7] iommu: provide helper function to configure an IOMMU for an of master Will Deacon
2014-09-18 11:13   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-22 17:13     ` Will Deacon
2014-10-14 13:12       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-12 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 5/7] dma-mapping: detect and configure IOMMU in of_dma_configure Will Deacon
2014-09-18 11:17   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-22  9:29     ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22 17:50       ` Will Deacon
2014-10-14 12:53         ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-27 10:51           ` Will Deacon
2014-10-27 11:12             ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-10-27 11:30             ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-27 16:02               ` Will Deacon
2014-10-27 16:33                 ` jroedel at suse.de
2014-09-22 17:46     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 6/7] arm: call iommu_init before of_platform_populate Will Deacon
2014-09-22  9:36   ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22 11:08     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-22 11:40       ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22 16:03         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-23  7:02           ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-23  7:44             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-23  8:59               ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-14 13:07               ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-14 13:20                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-14 13:37                   ` Thierry Reding [this message]
2014-10-14 15:01                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-14 15:05                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-14 15:10                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-12 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 7/7] arm: dma-mapping: plumb our iommu mapping ops into arch_setup_dma_ops Will Deacon
2014-09-22  9:19   ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22  9:22     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-22 17:43     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-23  7:14       ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-24 16:33         ` Will Deacon
2014-09-25  6:40           ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-30 16:00             ` Will Deacon
2014-10-01  8:46               ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-03 15:08                 ` Will Deacon
2014-10-06  9:52                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-06 10:50                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-06 13:05                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-16 11:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 0/7] Introduce automatic DMA configuration for IOMMU masters Robin Murphy
2014-09-17  1:19   ` Will Deacon

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