Build LSK 3.14 kernel with android-toolchain

Build LSK 3.14 kernel with android-toolchain

[Shawn Guo]

+ LAKML and more people.

On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 05:38:38PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Monday 01 December 2014 16:32:21 Shawn Guo wrote:
> > Is it a valid or supported use case to build LSK 3.14 kernel with
> > android-toolchain?  I can build a LSK 3.14 kernel with Linux toolchain
> > gcc-linaro-arm-none-eabi-4.9-2014.09, which boots fine on my board.
> > When I build the same kernel with
> > android-toolchain-eabi-4.9-2014.09-x86, the kernel can be built out
> > successfully, but it fails to boot on the board at very early stage
> > with only uncompressing message shown up like below.
> > 
> > Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
> > 
> > And it's not a LSK 3.14 specific problem, I tried to build mainline
> > 3.10, 3.14 and 3.18-rc4 with the android-toolchain, and they all
> > failed to boot.
> > 
> > I need some help to understand if it's a valid use case at all, before
> > I try to looking into the problem.
> 
> I would expect it to work, it's probably a good idea to find out
> why it doesn't. For all I know 'arm-none-eabi' is actually /not/
> supported for building the kernel, since that doesn't use the Linux
> Linux variant of eabi, while 'arm-*-linux-gnueabi' or
> 'arm-*-linux-gnueabihf' is the default for Linux these days and
> 'arm-*-linux-android' should be compatible with that.

Okay.  Thanks for the info.  It seems that I should download
gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabihf-4.9-2014.09 for comparison testing then.
Actually, in the very first testing I used arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc 4.7.3
shipped with Ubuntu 14.04.

> What is the
> exact target triplet you use in those two cases?

They are arm-none-eabi and arm-linux-androideabi.  And I also replaced
the first toolchain with arm-linux-gnueabi one, and got the same result.

> 
> A few things you could try:
> 
> - boot it in qemu using the vexpress or virt platform code, see if
>   the symptom is the same. If it is, attach gdb to the qemu gdbstub
>   to look at the contents of the _log_buf.
> 
> - Maybe debug_ll crashes, try disabling that
> 
> - Maybe debug_ll is disabled already, try enabling it to see if you
>   get more output.

I tracked it a little bit with debug_ll routine printch() and found it
dies at the first pr_info() call in arch/arm/kernel/setup.c:

	pr_info("Booting Linux on physical CPU 0x%x\n", mpidr);

And I spent some time to find out that the issue was introduced by
commit dad5451a322b (ARM: 7605/1: vmlinux.lds: Move .notes section
next to the rodata) since v3.8 release.  Reverting the commit helps me
to get a booting kernel that is built by arm-linux-androideabi
toolchain.  But I do not have the knowledge to understand what is
happening.

Shawn

Build LSK 3.14 kernel with android-toolchain

[Jisheng Zhang]

Dear Shawn,

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 01:04:54 -0800
Shawn Guo <shawn.guo@linaro.org> wrote:

> + LAKML and more people.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 05:38:38PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Monday 01 December 2014 16:32:21 Shawn Guo wrote:
> > > Is it a valid or supported use case to build LSK 3.14 kernel with
> > > android-toolchain?  I can build a LSK 3.14 kernel with Linux toolchain
> > > gcc-linaro-arm-none-eabi-4.9-2014.09, which boots fine on my board.
> > > When I build the same kernel with
> > > android-toolchain-eabi-4.9-2014.09-x86, the kernel can be built out
> > > successfully, but it fails to boot on the board at very early stage
> > > with only uncompressing message shown up like below.
> > > 
> > > Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
> > > 
> > > And it's not a LSK 3.14 specific problem, I tried to build mainline
> > > 3.10, 3.14 and 3.18-rc4 with the android-toolchain, and they all
> > > failed to boot.
> > > 
> > > I need some help to understand if it's a valid use case at all, before
> > > I try to looking into the problem.
> > 
> > I would expect it to work, it's probably a good idea to find out
> > why it doesn't. For all I know 'arm-none-eabi' is actually /not/
> > supported for building the kernel, since that doesn't use the Linux
> > Linux variant of eabi, while 'arm-*-linux-gnueabi' or
> > 'arm-*-linux-gnueabihf' is the default for Linux these days and
> > 'arm-*-linux-android' should be compatible with that.
> 
> Okay.  Thanks for the info.  It seems that I should download
> gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabihf-4.9-2014.09 for comparison testing then.
> Actually, in the very first testing I used arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc 4.7.3
> shipped with Ubuntu 14.04.
> 
> > What is the
> > exact target triplet you use in those two cases?
> 
> They are arm-none-eabi and arm-linux-androideabi.  And I also replaced
> the first toolchain with arm-linux-gnueabi one, and got the same result.
> 
> > 
> > A few things you could try:
> > 
> > - boot it in qemu using the vexpress or virt platform code, see if
> >   the symptom is the same. If it is, attach gdb to the qemu gdbstub
> >   to look at the contents of the _log_buf.
> > 
> > - Maybe debug_ll crashes, try disabling that
> > 
> > - Maybe debug_ll is disabled already, try enabling it to see if you
> >   get more output.
> 
> I tracked it a little bit with debug_ll routine printch() and found it
> dies at the first pr_info() call in arch/arm/kernel/setup.c:
> 
> 	pr_info("Booting Linux on physical CPU 0x%x\n", mpidr);
> 
> And I spent some time to find out that the issue was introduced by
> commit dad5451a322b (ARM: 7605/1: vmlinux.lds: Move .notes section
> next to the rodata) since v3.8 release.  Reverting the commit helps me
> to get a booting kernel that is built by arm-linux-androideabi
> toolchain.  But I do not have the knowledge to understand what is
> happening.
> 

>From my experience in last several years

1. the arm-linux-androideabi- toolchain sets some options by default, PIC for
example, even -mno-android can't disable all the side effects per my test.

2. the arm-linux-eandroideabi- toolchain use gold for linker by default. Maybe
gold can't understand vmlinux.lds correctly?

Thanks,
Jisheng

Build LSK 3.14 kernel with android-toolchain

[Arnd Bergmann]

On Tuesday 02 December 2014 17:39:21 Jisheng Zhang wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 01:04:54 -0800
> Shawn Guo <shawn.guo@linaro.org> wrote:
> 
> > + LAKML and more people.
> > 
> > On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 05:38:38PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > On Monday 01 December 2014 16:32:21 Shawn Guo wrote:
> > > > Is it a valid or supported use case to build LSK 3.14 kernel with
> > > > android-toolchain?  I can build a LSK 3.14 kernel with Linux toolchain
> > > > gcc-linaro-arm-none-eabi-4.9-2014.09, which boots fine on my board.
> > > > When I build the same kernel with
> > > > android-toolchain-eabi-4.9-2014.09-x86, the kernel can be built out
> > > > successfully, but it fails to boot on the board at very early stage
> > > > with only uncompressing message shown up like below.
> > > > 
> > > > Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
> > > > 
> > > > And it's not a LSK 3.14 specific problem, I tried to build mainline
> > > > 3.10, 3.14 and 3.18-rc4 with the android-toolchain, and they all
> > > > failed to boot.
> > > > 
> > > > I need some help to understand if it's a valid use case at all, before
> > > > I try to looking into the problem.
> > > 
> > > I would expect it to work, it's probably a good idea to find out
> > > why it doesn't. For all I know 'arm-none-eabi' is actually /not/
> > > supported for building the kernel, since that doesn't use the Linux
> > > Linux variant of eabi, while 'arm-*-linux-gnueabi' or
> > > 'arm-*-linux-gnueabihf' is the default for Linux these days and
> > > 'arm-*-linux-android' should be compatible with that.
> > 
> > Okay.  Thanks for the info.  It seems that I should download
> > gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabihf-4.9-2014.09 for comparison testing then.
> > Actually, in the very first testing I used arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc 4.7.3
> > shipped with Ubuntu 14.04.
> > 
> > > What is the
> > > exact target triplet you use in those two cases?
> > 
> > They are arm-none-eabi and arm-linux-androideabi.  And I also replaced
> > the first toolchain with arm-linux-gnueabi one, and got the same result.

Ok, so they are really all different.

> > > 
> > > A few things you could try:
> > > 
> > > - boot it in qemu using the vexpress or virt platform code, see if
> > >   the symptom is the same. If it is, attach gdb to the qemu gdbstub
> > >   to look at the contents of the _log_buf.
> > > 
> > > - Maybe debug_ll crashes, try disabling that
> > > 
> > > - Maybe debug_ll is disabled already, try enabling it to see if you
> > >   get more output.
> > 
> > I tracked it a little bit with debug_ll routine printch() and found it
> > dies at the first pr_info() call in arch/arm/kernel/setup.c:
> > 
> >       pr_info("Booting Linux on physical CPU 0x%x\n", mpidr);
> > 
> > And I spent some time to find out that the issue was introduced by
> > commit dad5451a322b (ARM: 7605/1: vmlinux.lds: Move .notes section
> > next to the rodata) since v3.8 release.  Reverting the commit helps me
> > to get a booting kernel that is built by arm-linux-androideabi
> > toolchain.  But I do not have the knowledge to understand what is
> > happening.
> > 
> 
> From my experience in last several years
> 
> 1. the arm-linux-androideabi- toolchain sets some options by default, PIC for
> example, even -mno-android can't disable all the side effects per my test.

Yes, that's definitely possible. Any idea how the android folks build their
kernel?

> 2. the arm-linux-eandroideabi- toolchain use gold for linker by default. Maybe
> gold can't understand vmlinux.lds correctly?

That would be very easy to test, just set LD=${CROSS_COMPILE}ld.bfd on the
command line and rebuild. In my testing, I've encountered a number of different
bugs in both ld.bfd and ld.gold that prevent you from building the kernel.

	Arnd

Build LSK 3.14 kernel with android-toolchain

[Jisheng Zhang]

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 02:24:03 -0800
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:

> On Tuesday 02 December 2014 17:39:21 Jisheng Zhang wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 01:04:54 -0800
> > Shawn Guo <shawn.guo@linaro.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > + LAKML and more people.
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 05:38:38PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > > On Monday 01 December 2014 16:32:21 Shawn Guo wrote:
> > > > > Is it a valid or supported use case to build LSK 3.14 kernel with
> > > > > android-toolchain?  I can build a LSK 3.14 kernel with Linux
> > > > > toolchain gcc-linaro-arm-none-eabi-4.9-2014.09, which boots fine on
> > > > > my board. When I build the same kernel with
> > > > > android-toolchain-eabi-4.9-2014.09-x86, the kernel can be built out
> > > > > successfully, but it fails to boot on the board at very early stage
> > > > > with only uncompressing message shown up like below.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
> > > > > 
> > > > > And it's not a LSK 3.14 specific problem, I tried to build mainline
> > > > > 3.10, 3.14 and 3.18-rc4 with the android-toolchain, and they all
> > > > > failed to boot.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I need some help to understand if it's a valid use case at all,
> > > > > before I try to looking into the problem.
> > > > 
> > > > I would expect it to work, it's probably a good idea to find out
> > > > why it doesn't. For all I know 'arm-none-eabi' is actually /not/
> > > > supported for building the kernel, since that doesn't use the Linux
> > > > Linux variant of eabi, while 'arm-*-linux-gnueabi' or
> > > > 'arm-*-linux-gnueabihf' is the default for Linux these days and
> > > > 'arm-*-linux-android' should be compatible with that.
> > > 
> > > Okay.  Thanks for the info.  It seems that I should download
> > > gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabihf-4.9-2014.09 for comparison testing then.
> > > Actually, in the very first testing I used arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc 4.7.3
> > > shipped with Ubuntu 14.04.
> > > 
> > > > What is the
> > > > exact target triplet you use in those two cases?
> > > 
> > > They are arm-none-eabi and arm-linux-androideabi.  And I also replaced
> > > the first toolchain with arm-linux-gnueabi one, and got the same result.
> 
> Ok, so they are really all different.
> 
> > > > 
> > > > A few things you could try:
> > > > 
> > > > - boot it in qemu using the vexpress or virt platform code, see if
> > > >   the symptom is the same. If it is, attach gdb to the qemu gdbstub
> > > >   to look at the contents of the _log_buf.
> > > > 
> > > > - Maybe debug_ll crashes, try disabling that
> > > > 
> > > > - Maybe debug_ll is disabled already, try enabling it to see if you
> > > >   get more output.
> > > 
> > > I tracked it a little bit with debug_ll routine printch() and found it
> > > dies at the first pr_info() call in arch/arm/kernel/setup.c:
> > > 
> > >       pr_info("Booting Linux on physical CPU 0x%x\n", mpidr);
> > > 
> > > And I spent some time to find out that the issue was introduced by
> > > commit dad5451a322b (ARM: 7605/1: vmlinux.lds: Move .notes section
> > > next to the rodata) since v3.8 release.  Reverting the commit helps me
> > > to get a booting kernel that is built by arm-linux-androideabi
> > > toolchain.  But I do not have the knowledge to understand what is
> > > happening.
> > > 
> > 
> > From my experience in last several years
> > 
> > 1. the arm-linux-androideabi- toolchain sets some options by default, PIC
> > for example, even -mno-android can't disable all the side effects per my
> > test.
> 
> Yes, that's definitely possible. Any idea how the android folks build their
> kernel?

copied from https://android.googlesource.com/toolchain/build/+/HEAD/README

The Android toolchain supports the following targets:
   a. arm-linux-androideabi
   b. arm-eabi  (for Android kernel)
   c. arm-newlib-eabi	(for runnng gcc regression tests)
   d. i[3456]86-*-linux-gnu, x86_64-*-linux-gnu	(for x86 targets)

So they build android kernel using the arm-eabi- toolchain.

> 
> > 2. the arm-linux-eandroideabi- toolchain use gold for linker by default.
> > Maybe gold can't understand vmlinux.lds correctly?
> 
> That would be very easy to test, just set LD=${CROSS_COMPILE}ld.bfd on the
> command line and rebuild. In my testing, I've encountered a number of
> different bugs in both ld.bfd and ld.gold that prevent you from building
> the kernel.

That may be caused by issue #1. We encounter weired kernel panics, bugs when
using the arm-linux-androideabi to build linux kernel. all are gone after
switching to arm-eabi- or arm-linux-guneabi-

Thanks

Build LSK 3.14 kernel with android-toolchain

[Shawn Guo]

On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 06:29:52PM +0800, Jisheng Zhang wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 02:24:03 -0800
> Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> > Yes, that's definitely possible. Any idea how the android folks build their
> > kernel?
> 
> copied from https://android.googlesource.com/toolchain/build/+/HEAD/README
> 
> The Android toolchain supports the following targets:
>    a. arm-linux-androideabi
>    b. arm-eabi  (for Android kernel)
>    c. arm-newlib-eabi	(for runnng gcc regression tests)
>    d. i[3456]86-*-linux-gnu, x86_64-*-linux-gnu	(for x86 targets)
> 
> So they build android kernel using the arm-eabi- toolchain.

Thanks Jisheng for all the information.

Yes, I just built my kernel with arm-eabi in android-toolchain-eabi-4.9-2014.09
and it works fine.  So we basically conclude that we should build kernel
with arm-eabi rather than arm-linux-androideabi.

One thing to note - with CONFIG_ARM_UNWIND turned on, even arm-eabi
generate the following warning.  This is one difference between android
arm-eabi and arm-linux-gnueabi we can see immediately.

  LD      vmlinux
arm-eabi-ld: warning: unwinding may not work because EXIDX input section 31 of fs/built-in.o is not in EXIDX output section
arm-eabi-ld: warning: unwinding may not work because EXIDX input section 12 of crypto/built-in.o is not in EXIDX output section
arm-eabi-ld: warning: unwinding may not work because EXIDX input section 27 of block/built-in.o is not in EXIDX output section
arm-eabi-ld: warning: unwinding may not work because EXIDX input section 27 of drivers/built-in.o is not in EXIDX output section
arm-eabi-ld: warning: unwinding may not work because EXIDX input section 33 of net/built-in.o is not in EXIDX output section

Shawn

Build LSK 3.14 kernel with android-toolchain

[Arnd Bergmann]

On Tuesday 02 December 2014 20:34:59 Shawn Guo wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 06:29:52PM +0800, Jisheng Zhang wrote:
> > On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 02:24:03 -0800
> > Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> > > Yes, that's definitely possible. Any idea how the android folks build their
> > > kernel?
> > 
> > copied from https://android.googlesource.com/toolchain/build/+/HEAD/README
> > 
> > The Android toolchain supports the following targets:
> >    a. arm-linux-androideabi
> >    b. arm-eabi  (for Android kernel)
> >    c. arm-newlib-eabi (for runnng gcc regression tests)
> >    d. i[3456]86-*-linux-gnu, x86_64-*-linux-gnu       (for x86 targets)
> > 
> > So they build android kernel using the arm-eabi- toolchain.
> 
> Thanks Jisheng for all the information.
> 
> Yes, I just built my kernel with arm-eabi in android-toolchain-eabi-4.9-2014.09
> and it works fine.  So we basically conclude that we should build kernel
> with arm-eabi rather than arm-linux-androideabi.
> 
> One thing to note - with CONFIG_ARM_UNWIND turned on, even arm-eabi
> generate the following warning.  This is one difference between android
> arm-eabi and arm-linux-gnueabi we can see immediately.
> 
>   LD      vmlinux
> arm-eabi-ld: warning: unwinding may not work because EXIDX input section 31 of fs/built-in.o is not in EXIDX output section
> arm-eabi-ld: warning: unwinding may not work because EXIDX input section 12 of crypto/built-in.o is not in EXIDX output section
> arm-eabi-ld: warning: unwinding may not work because EXIDX input section 27 of block/built-in.o is not in EXIDX output section
> arm-eabi-ld: warning: unwinding may not work because EXIDX input section 27 of drivers/built-in.o is not in EXIDX output section
> arm-eabi-ld: warning: unwinding may not work because EXIDX input section 33 of net/built-in.o is not in EXIDX output section

I looked into this before, I think this is a gold specific warning
about an actual kernel bug, but I haven't been able to track it down.

It certainly happens with my regular toolchain and gold as well.

	Arnd

Build LSK 3.14 kernel with android-toolchain

[Arnd Bergmann]

On Tuesday 02 December 2014 18:29:52 Jisheng Zhang wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 02:24:03 -0800
> > On Tuesday 02 December 2014 17:39:21 Jisheng Zhang wrote:
> > > 
> > > From my experience in last several years
> > > 
> > > 1. the arm-linux-androideabi- toolchain sets some options by default, PIC
> > > for example, even -mno-android can't disable all the side effects per my
> > > test.
> > 
> > Yes, that's definitely possible. Any idea how the android folks build their
> > kernel?
> 
> copied from https://android.googlesource.com/toolchain/build/+/HEAD/README
> 
> The Android toolchain supports the following targets:
>    a. arm-linux-androideabi
>    b. arm-eabi  (for Android kernel)
>    c. arm-newlib-eabi	(for runnng gcc regression tests)
>    d. i[3456]86-*-linux-gnu, x86_64-*-linux-gnu	(for x86 targets)
> 
> So they build android kernel using the arm-eabi- toolchain.

Interesting, I think that's not supported at all, as the ABI is slightly
incompatible between arm-eabi and arm-linux-gnueabi, in particular the
short-enums that are used only in arm-eabi.

I have a patch somewhere that errors out if someone attempts to build
the kernel with an arm-eabi toolchain, I should probably submit that
upstream. The Android folks will likely just revert it, but it would
catch everyone that tries to build a normal kernel in the Android way.

	Arnd

Build LSK 3.14 kernel with android-toolchain

[Shawn Guo]

On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 11:24:03AM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > I tracked it a little bit with debug_ll routine printch() and found it
> > > dies at the first pr_info() call in arch/arm/kernel/setup.c:
> > > 
> > >       pr_info("Booting Linux on physical CPU 0x%x\n", mpidr);
> > > 
> > > And I spent some time to find out that the issue was introduced by
> > > commit dad5451a322b (ARM: 7605/1: vmlinux.lds: Move .notes section
> > > next to the rodata) since v3.8 release.  Reverting the commit helps me
> > > to get a booting kernel that is built by arm-linux-androideabi
> > > toolchain.  But I do not have the knowledge to understand what is
> > > happening.
> > > 
> > 
> > From my experience in last several years
> > 
> > 1. the arm-linux-androideabi- toolchain sets some options by default, PIC for
> > example, even -mno-android can't disable all the side effects per my test.
> 
> Yes, that's definitely possible. Any idea how the android folks build their
> kernel?
> 
> > 2. the arm-linux-eandroideabi- toolchain use gold for linker by default. Maybe
> > gold can't understand vmlinux.lds correctly?
> 
> That would be very easy to test, just set LD=${CROSS_COMPILE}ld.bfd on the
> command line and rebuild. In my testing, I've encountered a number of different
> bugs in both ld.bfd and ld.gold that prevent you from building the kernel.

Yes, either reverting commit dad5451a322b (ARM: 7605/1: vmlinux.lds:
Move .notes section next to the rodata) or building kernel with
LD=${CROSS_COMPILE}ld.bfd get me a working kernel.

Shawn