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From: mark.rutland@arm.com (Mark Rutland)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 0/3] arm64: relocatable kernel proof of concept
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:33:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150316173324.GA21040@leverpostej> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKv+Gu_-1XMcpobRt7tXCZaqWoszWLfJxgHBLaKuWchz87UnSA@mail.gmail.com>

> >> - performance: we can align PHYS_OFFSET so that most of the linear mapping can
> >>   be done using 512 MB or 1 GB blocks (depending on page size), instead of
> >>   the more granular level that is currently unavoidable if Image cannot be
> >>   loaded at base of RAM (since PHYS_OFFSET is tied to the start of the kernel
> >>   Image).
> >
> > Isn't this gain somewhat offset by having to build the kernel as a PIE?
> 
> I don't think so. Note that this is not -fpic code, it's just the ld
> option that dumps the reloc and dynsym tables into the output image.
> The reloc penalty is boottime only.

Ah, ok.

> > I have a very strong suspicion that bootloaders in the wild don't zero
> > x1-x3, and that given that we might not have a reliable mechanism for
> > acquiring the offset.
> >
> 
> OK, sounds about time to start complaining about that then.

I guess so.

> >> Issues:
> >> - Since AArch64 uses the ELF RELA format (where the addends are in the
> >>   relocation table and not in the code), the relocations need to be applied even
> >>   if the Image runs from the same offset it was linked at. It also means that
> >>   some values that are produced by the linker (_kernel_size_le, etc) are missing
> >>   from the binary. This will probably need a fixup step.
> >> - The module area may be out of range, which needs to be worked around with
> >>   module PLTs. This is straight forward but I haven't implemented it yet for
> >>   arm64.
> >> - The core extable is most likely broken, and would need to be changed to use
> >>   relative offsets instead of absolute addresses.
> >
> > This sounds like it's going to be a big headache.
> >
> 
> It's all manageable, really. The module PLT thing is something I
> already implemented for 32-bit ARM here:
> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2014-November/305539.html
> (only Russell couldn't be bothered to merge it)
> 
> The extable is already relative on x86, and the fixup step is some
> straight forward ELF mangling on vmlinux before performing the
> objcopy.
> But yes, it's rather ugly.

Hmm. I'd be rather worried about the fixup step; I suspect that'll be
fragile and rarely tested. Perhaps we could verify them at boot time?

> > I'd rather see that we decouple the kernel (text/data) mapping from the
> > linear mapping, with the former given a fixed VA independent of the PA
> > of the kernel Image (which would still need to be at a 2M-aligned
> > address + text_offset, and not straddling a 512M boundary).
> >
> 
> Hmm, that's quite nice, actually, It also fixes the module range
> problem, and for VA randomization we could move both regions together.

Ah, good point. I hadn't consdiered modules all that much, but it sounds
like it could work.

Mark.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-16 17:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-16 15:23 [RFC PATCH 0/3] arm64: relocatable kernel proof of concept Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-16 15:23 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] arm64: head.S: replace early literals with constant immediates Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-16 17:14   ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-17  7:01     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-16 15:23 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] arm64: add support for relocatable kernel Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-16 15:23 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] arm64/efi: use relocated kernel Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-16 16:09 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] arm64: relocatable kernel proof of concept Mark Rutland
2015-03-16 16:45   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-16 17:33     ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2015-03-16 17:43       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-17 16:20         ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-16 23:19 ` Kees Cook
2015-03-17  7:38   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-17 16:35     ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-17 16:40       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-17 16:43         ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-23 15:36           ` [PATCH 0/4] RFC: split text and linear mappings using tagged pointers Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-23 15:36             ` [PATCH 1/4] arm64: use tagged pointers to distinguish kernel text from the linear mapping Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-25 14:04               ` Catalin Marinas
2015-03-26  1:27               ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-23 15:36             ` [PATCH 2/4] arm64: fixmap: move translation tables to dedicated region Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-26  1:28               ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-26  6:20                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-30 14:34                   ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-23 15:36             ` [PATCH 3/4] arm64: move kernel text below PAGE_OFFSET Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-25 14:10               ` Catalin Marinas
2015-03-23 15:36             ` [PATCH 4/4] arm64: align PHYS_OFFSET to block size Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-25 14:14               ` Catalin Marinas
2015-03-26  6:23                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-25 14:59               ` Catalin Marinas
2015-03-26  6:22                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-27 13:16                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-30 13:49                     ` Catalin Marinas
2015-03-30 14:00                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-30 14:55                         ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-30 15:00                         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-03-30 18:08                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-03-31 14:49                             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-03-31 16:19                               ` Catalin Marinas
2015-03-31 16:46                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-03-26  1:26             ` [PATCH 0/4] RFC: split text and linear mappings using tagged pointers Mark Rutland
2015-03-26  6:09               ` Ard Biesheuvel

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