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From: lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com (Lorenzo Pieralisi)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 2/2] arm64: kernel: perf: add pmu CPU PM notifier
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 18:45:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150330174540.GB11684@red-moon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150317172418.GX8399@arm.com>

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 05:24:18PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 11:31:37PM +0000, Kevin Hilman wrote:
> > Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com> writes:
> > 
> > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 01:18:54PM +0000, Ashwin Chaugule wrote:
> > >> On 11 March 2015 at 12:02, Kevin Hilman <khilman@kernel.org> wrote:
> > >> > Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com> writes:
> > >> >
> > >> >> When a CPU is being profiled through PMU events and it enters suspend
> > >> >> or idle states, the PMU registers content can be lost, which means that
> > >> >> counters that were relied upon on power down entry are reset on power
> > >> >> up to values that are incosistent with the profile session.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> This patch adds a CPU PM notifier to arm64 perf code, that detects
> > >> >> on entry if events are being monitored, and if so, it returns
> > >> >> failure to the CPU PM notification chain, causing the suspend
> > >> >> thread or the idle thread to abort power down, therefore preventing
> > >> >> registers content loss.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> By triggering CPU PM notification failure this patch prevents
> > >> >> suspending a system if the suspend thread is being profiled and
> > >> >> it also prevents entering idle deep states on cores that have profile
> > >> >> events in use, somehow limiting power management capabilities when
> > >> >> there are active perf sessions.
> > >> >
> > >> > I guess that's one choice.  Couldn't you also stop the PMU and
> > >> > save/restore it's context in the notifiers? so that you wouldn't affect
> > >> > PM capabilities?
> > >> >
> > >> > That would imply that you lose the ability to profile after a certain
> > >> > point in suspend/idle, but maybe that's a better trade off than having
> > >> > profiling disable certain PM features?
> > >> 
> > >> I had something like that a few years ago on the Kraits and Scorpions [1].
> > >
> > > That's another option, but the point is understanding how we want to
> > > tackle the issue, by preventing power down or by restoring the
> > > PMU registers.
> > 
> > Personally, I think the save/restore approach is preferred.  IMO, it's
> > more intuitive from the perspective of a user who doesn't understand all
> > the mechanics and also actually allows you to profile most of the
> > low-power paths and still actually hit the low power states.
> 
> I agree that save/restore is the nicest thing to do, but until we have a
> generic description of the power-domains in device-tree I really don't want
> PMU-specific hacks in the arch code to deal with this (since many platforms
> do not lose PMU state over suspend).
> 
> What Lorenzo is proposing is a stop-gap to prevent perf silently losing its
> state on platforms where the register contents is lost.

Yes, that's exactly the goal. I am fine either way, at the moment we are
not in a position to define whether a core loses the PMU context, that's
certain.

I am not sure to understand why people want the core to really go
to shutdown and save/restore perf context if perf is on (eg profiling a
cpu for cache stats, clearly powering down a core biases the results
and might even obfuscate them).

It is not an easy call. If we go for this patch approach I am happy to
rebase and retest the series again, for power domains I fear we have to
wait given the sheer amount of changes in ARM CPUidle world at the moment,
too much stuff going on there.

Lorenzo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-30 17:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-10 17:31 [RFC PATCH 1/2] arm64: kernel: perf: add cpu hotplug notifier Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-03-10 17:31 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] arm64: kernel: perf: add pmu CPU PM notifier Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-03-11 16:02   ` Kevin Hilman
2015-03-12 10:27     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-03-12 13:18     ` Ashwin Chaugule
2015-03-13 17:40       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-03-13 23:31         ` Kevin Hilman
2015-03-17 17:24           ` Will Deacon
2015-03-30 17:45             ` Lorenzo Pieralisi [this message]
2015-03-31 16:35               ` Kevin Hilman

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