* PROBLEM: XFS on ARM corruption 'Structure needs cleaning' [not found] ` <20150612225209.GA20262@dastard> @ 2015-08-12 0:56 ` katsuki.uwatoko at toshiba.co.jp 2015-08-12 3:14 ` Dave Chinner 2015-08-12 6:24 ` enabling libgcc for 64-bit divisions, was " Christoph Hellwig 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: katsuki.uwatoko at toshiba.co.jp @ 2015-08-12 0:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-arm-kernel On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 08:52:09 +1000, Dave Chinner wrote: > Yup, that's looking like a toolchain bug. Thread about arm directory > read corruption: I think that this is not a toolchain bug, this is related to Subject: [PATCH v2 1/1] ARM : missing corrupted reg in __do_div_asm http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg426684.html -- The problematic line in xfs is: irecs->br_startblock = XFS_DADDR_TO_FSB(mp, mappedbno) in xfs_dabuf_map()/fs/xfs/xfs_da_btree.c. The expansion of it is: ld = mappedbno >> mp->m_blkbb_log; do_div(ld, mp->m_sb.sb_agblocks); startblock = ld << mp->m_sb.sb_agblklog; ld = mappedbno >> mp->m_blkbb_log; startblock |= do_div(ld, mp->m_sb.sb_agblocks); irecs->br_startblock = startblock; The assembler of these are: : bl __do_div64 ldr r1, [sp, #44] subs r3, r7, #32 orr r1, r1, r2, lsr r5 add r5, sp, #80 str r5, [sp, #64] ldr r5, [sp, #60] movpl r1, r2, asl r3 mov r2, r2, asl r7 str r2, [sp, #40] str r1, [sp, #44] mov r1, r9 str r5, [sp, #96] mov r7, #0 ldr r2, [sp, #96] mov r5, #1 ldr fp, [sp, #64] str r7, [sp, #84] mov r9, r2, asr #31 str r7, [sp, #104] bl __do_div64 : by GCC 4.7.2 with -O2 option. Because a result of do_div is stored in the 1st arg (r0), r0, which is "ld" in the C, must be reloaded after the 1st call of do_div, before the 2nd call of do_div. But it is not reloaded in the above assembler. The problem is macro __do_div_asm, as the patch describes. I confirmed that the patch fixed this problem. mov r1, sl str r2, [sp, #56] mov r0, fp bl __do_div64 ldr ip, [sp, #36] rsb r6, r5, #32 subs r3, r5, #32 ldr r1, [sp, #56] orr ip, ip, r2, lsr r6 str r7, [sp, #96] mov r6, #1 str r8, [sp, #80] mov r0, ip str r1, [sp, #52] movpl r0, r2, asl r3 mov r2, r2, asl r5 str r0, [sp, #36] mov r1, sl str r2, [sp, #32] mov r0, fp bl __do_div64 by GCC 4.7.2 with -O2 option and the patch. Thank you, -- UWATOKO ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* PROBLEM: XFS on ARM corruption 'Structure needs cleaning' 2015-08-12 0:56 ` PROBLEM: XFS on ARM corruption 'Structure needs cleaning' katsuki.uwatoko at toshiba.co.jp @ 2015-08-12 3:14 ` Dave Chinner 2015-08-12 6:19 ` katsuki.uwatoko at toshiba.co.jp 2015-08-12 6:24 ` enabling libgcc for 64-bit divisions, was " Christoph Hellwig 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Dave Chinner @ 2015-08-12 3:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-arm-kernel On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:56:25AM +0000, katsuki.uwatoko at toshiba.co.jp wrote: > On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 08:52:09 +1000, Dave Chinner wrote: > > > Yup, that's looking like a toolchain bug. Thread about arm directory > > read corruption: > > I think that this is not a toolchain bug, this is related to > Subject: [PATCH v2 1/1] ARM : missing corrupted reg in __do_div_asm > http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg426684.html Interesting! Very good work finding that bug, Katsuki-san. FWIW, I suspect this fix will need to go back into stable kernels, too. > -- > > The problematic line in xfs is: > irecs->br_startblock = XFS_DADDR_TO_FSB(mp, mappedbno) > in xfs_dabuf_map()/fs/xfs/xfs_da_btree.c. > > The expansion of it is: > > ld = mappedbno >> mp->m_blkbb_log; > do_div(ld, mp->m_sb.sb_agblocks); > startblock = ld << mp->m_sb.sb_agblklog; > ld = mappedbno >> mp->m_blkbb_log; > startblock |= do_div(ld, mp->m_sb.sb_agblocks); > irecs->br_startblock = startblock; > > The assembler of these are: > > : > bl __do_div64 > ldr r1, [sp, #44] > subs r3, r7, #32 > orr r1, r1, r2, lsr r5 > add r5, sp, #80 > str r5, [sp, #64] > ldr r5, [sp, #60] > movpl r1, r2, asl r3 > mov r2, r2, asl r7 > str r2, [sp, #40] > str r1, [sp, #44] > mov r1, r9 > str r5, [sp, #96] > mov r7, #0 > ldr r2, [sp, #96] > mov r5, #1 > ldr fp, [sp, #64] > str r7, [sp, #84] > mov r9, r2, asr #31 > str r7, [sp, #104] > bl __do_div64 > : > > by GCC 4.7.2 with -O2 option. To close the loop, what code do the other versions GCC produce for this macro? Evidence so far says that the result depends on the compiler version, so I would like to have confirmation that other versions of the compiler generate working code. There are other XFS_DADDR_TO_FSB() calls in the XFS code, too - do they demonstrate the same problem, maybe with different compiler versions? Basically I'm asking what is the scope of the problem you've found? i.e. when was the bug introduced, what compilers expose it, etc so that when ARM users report XFS corruptions we have some idea of whether their kernel/compiler combination might have caused the issue they are seeing... Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Chinner david at fromorbit.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* PROBLEM: XFS on ARM corruption 'Structure needs cleaning' 2015-08-12 3:14 ` Dave Chinner @ 2015-08-12 6:19 ` katsuki.uwatoko at toshiba.co.jp 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: katsuki.uwatoko at toshiba.co.jp @ 2015-08-12 6:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-arm-kernel On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 13:14:07 +1000, Dave Chinner wrote: > To close the loop, what code do the other versions GCC produce for > this macro? Evidence so far says that the result depends on the > compiler version, so I would like to have confirmation that other > versions of the compiler generate working code. There are other > XFS_DADDR_TO_FSB() calls in the XFS code, too - do they demonstrate > the same problem, maybe with different compiler versions? > > Basically I'm asking what is the scope of the problem you've found? > i.e. when was the bug introduced, what compilers expose it, etc > so that when ARM users report XFS corruptions we have some idea of > whether their kernel/compiler combination might have caused the > issue they are seeing... I have the following versions of GCC now. 4.5.1 4.6.4 4.7.2 # Sorry I don't have the recent versions of GCC. And the results are: 4.5.1 (-O2) OK. 4.6.4 (-O2) BAD. 4.7.2 (-O2) BAD. But even using gcc 4.7, this bug does not happen with -Os instead of -O2. It means that when CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE Kernel option is used, it does not happen. As for the version of kernel, I am using 3.10 now. At least. it is the same as 2.6.32. -- The following are codes generated by GCCs. GCC 4.5.1 with -O2 (OK) 178: 41a00003 movmi r0, r3 17c: 51a00057 asrpl r0, r7, r0 180: e58da02c str sl, [sp, #44] ; 0x2c 184: ebfffffe bl 0 <__do_div64> 188: e1cd26f8 strd r2, [sp, #104] ; 0x68 18c: e3a08000 mov r8, #0 190: e5d51175 ldrb r1, [r5, #373] ; 0x175 194: e59d2068 ldr r2, [sp, #104] ; 0x68 198: e251e020 subs lr, r1, #32 19c: e5d5308c ldrb r3, [r5, #140] ; 0x8c 1a0: e261c020 rsb ip, r1, #32 1a4: e1a00136 lsr r0, r6, r1 1a8: e1800c17 orr r0, r0, r7, lsl ip 1ac: e2634020 rsb r4, r3, #32 1b0: 51a00e57 asrpl r0, r7, lr 1b4: e253c020 subs ip, r3, #32 1b8: e1a0b432 lsr fp, r2, r4 1bc: e1a0a312 lsl sl, r2, r3 1c0: 51a0bc12 lslpl fp, r2, ip 1c4: e59dc024 ldr ip, [sp, #36] ; 0x24 1c8: e5954064 ldr r4, [r5, #100] ; 0x64 1cc: e1a01157 asr r1, r7, r1 1d0: e58d804c str r8, [sp, #76] ; 0x4c 1d4: e58dc048 str ip, [sp, #72] ; 0x48 1d8: ebfffffe bl 0 <__do_div64> GCC 4.6.4 with -O2 (BAD) 19c: 51a0025e asrpl r0, lr, r2 1a0: e3a0a001 mov sl, #1 1a4: ebfffffe bl 0 <__do_div64> 1a8: e1a0bb32 lsr fp, r2, fp 1ac: e2553020 subs r3, r5, #32 1b0: e1a01008 mov r1, r8 1b4: e58d704c str r7, [sp, #76] ; 0x4c 1b8: e1a0800b mov r8, fp 1bc: e58d7060 str r7, [sp, #96] ; 0x60 1c0: 51a08312 lslpl r8, r2, r3 1c4: e1a02512 lsl r2, r2, r5 1c8: e58d8034 str r8, [sp, #52] ; 0x34 1cc: e1a0500a mov r5, sl 1d0: e58d2030 str r2, [sp, #48] ; 0x30 1d4: e28d8048 add r8, sp, #72 ; 0x48 1d8: ebfffffe bl 0 <__do_div64> GCC 4.7.2 with -Os (OK) 1a0: e1cd02d8 ldrd r0, [sp, #40] ; 0x28 1a4: e1a0200b mov r2, fp 1a8: ebfffffe bl 0 <__aeabi_lasr> 1ac: e5954064 ldr r4, [r5, #100] ; 0x64 1b0: ebfffffe bl 0 <__do_div64> 1b4: e3a01000 mov r1, #0 1b8: e1a00002 mov r0, r2 1bc: e5d5208c ldrb r2, [r5, #140] ; 0x8c 1c0: ebfffffe bl 0 <__aeabi_llsl> 1c4: e1a0200b mov r2, fp 1c8: e1a06000 mov r6, r0 1cc: e1a07001 mov r7, r1 1d0: e1cd02d8 ldrd r0, [sp, #40] ; 0x28 1d4: ebfffffe bl 0 <__aeabi_lasr> 1d8: e58da040 str sl, [sp, #64] ; 0x40 1dc: ebfffffe bl 0 <__do_div64> Thank you, -- UWATOKO ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* enabling libgcc for 64-bit divisions, was Re: PROBLEM: XFS on ARM corruption 'Structure needs cleaning' 2015-08-12 0:56 ` PROBLEM: XFS on ARM corruption 'Structure needs cleaning' katsuki.uwatoko at toshiba.co.jp 2015-08-12 3:14 ` Dave Chinner @ 2015-08-12 6:24 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-08-12 15:49 ` Linus Torvalds 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Christoph Hellwig @ 2015-08-12 6:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-arm-kernel On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:56:25AM +0000, katsuki.uwatoko at toshiba.co.jp wrote: > On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 08:52:09 +1000, Dave Chinner wrote: > > > Yup, that's looking like a toolchain bug. Thread about arm directory > > read corruption: > > I think that this is not a toolchain bug, this is related to > Subject: [PATCH v2 1/1] ARM : missing corrupted reg in __do_div_asm > http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg426684.html Maybe it's time to rely on gcc to handle 64 bit divisions now? I've been pretty annoyed at the amount of 32-bit architecture build failures due to the lack of support for native 64-bit divisions, and the ugly do_div hackery to work around it. We're living in a world where we are using a lot of 64-bit CPUs and people optimize for them, so it might be a good time to start relying on the compiler to get these right on older CPUs. How bad is gcc's code for 64-bit divisions on arm and x86 these days? Is there still a good case for offloading work the compiler should be doing on the programmer? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* enabling libgcc for 64-bit divisions, was Re: PROBLEM: XFS on ARM corruption 'Structure needs cleaning' 2015-08-12 6:24 ` enabling libgcc for 64-bit divisions, was " Christoph Hellwig @ 2015-08-12 15:49 ` Linus Torvalds 2015-08-12 22:20 ` Andy Lutomirski 2015-10-08 15:50 ` Pavel Machek 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Linus Torvalds @ 2015-08-12 15:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-arm-kernel On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote: > > Maybe it's time to rely on gcc to handle 64 bit divisions now? Ugh. gcc still does a pretty horrible job at it. While gcc knows that a widening 32x32->64 multiplication can be simplified, it doesn't do the same thing for a 64/32->64 division, and always calls __udivdi3 for it. Now, __udivdi3 does avoid the general nasty case by then testing the upper 32 bits of the divisor against zero, so it's not entirely disastrous. It's just ugly. But perhaps more importantly, I'm not at all sure libgcc is kernel-safe. In particular, I'm not at all sure it *remains* kernel-safe. Just as an example: can you guarantee that libgcc doesn't implement integer division on some architecture by using the FP hardware? There's been a few cases where not having libgcc saved us headaches. I forget the exact details, but it was something like several years ago that we had gcc start to generate some insane crap exception handling for C code generation, and the fact that we didn't include libgcc was what made us catch it because of the resulting link error. libgcc just isn't reliable in kernel space. I'm not opposed to some random architecture using it (arch/tile does include "-lgcc" for example), but I _do_ object to the notion that we say "let's use libgcc in general". So no. I do not believe that the occasional pain of a few people who do 64-bit divides incorrectly is a good enough argument to start using libgcc. Linus ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* enabling libgcc for 64-bit divisions, was Re: PROBLEM: XFS on ARM corruption 'Structure needs cleaning' 2015-08-12 15:49 ` Linus Torvalds @ 2015-08-12 22:20 ` Andy Lutomirski 2015-08-12 22:36 ` Linus Torvalds 2015-08-13 3:28 ` Andrew Morton 2015-10-08 15:50 ` Pavel Machek 1 sibling, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Andy Lutomirski @ 2015-08-12 22:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-arm-kernel On 08/12/2015 08:49 AM, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote: >> >> Maybe it's time to rely on gcc to handle 64 bit divisions now? > > Ugh. gcc still does a pretty horrible job at it. While gcc knows that > a widening 32x32->64 multiplication can be simplified, it doesn't do > the same thing for a 64/32->64 division, and always calls __udivdi3 > for it. > > Now, __udivdi3 does avoid the general nasty case by then testing the > upper 32 bits of the divisor against zero, so it's not entirely > disastrous. It's just ugly. > > But perhaps more importantly, I'm not at all sure libgcc is > kernel-safe. In particular, I'm not at all sure it *remains* > kernel-safe. Just as an example: can you guarantee that libgcc doesn't > implement integer division on some architecture by using the FP > hardware? > > There's been a few cases where not having libgcc saved us headaches. I > forget the exact details, but it was something like several years ago > that we had gcc start to generate some insane crap exception handling > for C code generation, and the fact that we didn't include libgcc was > what made us catch it because of the resulting link error. > > libgcc just isn't reliable in kernel space. I'm not opposed to some > random architecture using it (arch/tile does include "-lgcc" for > example), but I _do_ object to the notion that we say "let's use > libgcc in general". > > So no. I do not believe that the occasional pain of a few people who > do 64-bit divides incorrectly is a good enough argument to start using > libgcc. > Does your objection still apply if we supplied our own implementations of a handful of libgcc helpers? --Andy > Linus > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* enabling libgcc for 64-bit divisions, was Re: PROBLEM: XFS on ARM corruption 'Structure needs cleaning' 2015-08-12 22:20 ` Andy Lutomirski @ 2015-08-12 22:36 ` Linus Torvalds 2015-08-12 22:39 ` Andy Lutomirski 2015-08-13 3:28 ` Andrew Morton 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Linus Torvalds @ 2015-08-12 22:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-arm-kernel On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote: > > Does your objection still apply if we supplied our own implementations of a > handful of libgcc helpers? We already do that. Several architectures actually implement _udivdi3. However, do_div() is actually the much simpler/better interface. I don't think we have a single case in the kernel where we really want the full 64/64 division, and the 64/32->64 case really is fundamentally simpler. This whole "do_div is so complicated" thing is just BS. The thing that triggered Christoph to ask was a bug in the implementation of that *simpler* interface. What makes you think that making people implement _udivdi3 would magically avoid all such bugs? Linus ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* enabling libgcc for 64-bit divisions, was Re: PROBLEM: XFS on ARM corruption 'Structure needs cleaning' 2015-08-12 22:36 ` Linus Torvalds @ 2015-08-12 22:39 ` Andy Lutomirski 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Andy Lutomirski @ 2015-08-12 22:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-arm-kernel On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote: >> >> Does your objection still apply if we supplied our own implementations of a >> handful of libgcc helpers? > > We already do that. > > Several architectures actually implement _udivdi3. > > However, do_div() is actually the much simpler/better interface. > > I don't think we have a single case in the kernel where we really want > the full 64/64 division, and the 64/32->64 case really is > fundamentally simpler. > > This whole "do_div is so complicated" thing is just BS. > > The thing that triggered Christoph to ask was a bug in the > implementation of that *simpler* interface. What makes you think that > making people implement _udivdi3 would magically avoid all such bugs? > Nothing. We could ask gcc to fix this, I suppose (add __udiv_64_over_32 or whatever). --Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* enabling libgcc for 64-bit divisions, was Re: PROBLEM: XFS on ARM corruption 'Structure needs cleaning' 2015-08-12 22:20 ` Andy Lutomirski 2015-08-12 22:36 ` Linus Torvalds @ 2015-08-13 3:28 ` Andrew Morton 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Andrew Morton @ 2015-08-13 3:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-arm-kernel On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 15:20:54 -0700 Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote: > On 08/12/2015 08:49 AM, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote: > >> > >> Maybe it's time to rely on gcc to handle 64 bit divisions now? > > > > Ugh. gcc still does a pretty horrible job at it. While gcc knows that > > a widening 32x32->64 multiplication can be simplified, it doesn't do > > the same thing for a 64/32->64 division, and always calls __udivdi3 > > for it. > > > > Now, __udivdi3 does avoid the general nasty case by then testing the > > upper 32 bits of the divisor against zero, so it's not entirely > > disastrous. It's just ugly. > > > > But perhaps more importantly, I'm not at all sure libgcc is > > kernel-safe. In particular, I'm not at all sure it *remains* > > kernel-safe. Just as an example: can you guarantee that libgcc doesn't > > implement integer division on some architecture by using the FP > > hardware? > > > > There's been a few cases where not having libgcc saved us headaches. I > > forget the exact details, but it was something like several years ago > > that we had gcc start to generate some insane crap exception handling > > for C code generation, and the fact that we didn't include libgcc was > > what made us catch it because of the resulting link error. > > > > libgcc just isn't reliable in kernel space. I'm not opposed to some > > random architecture using it (arch/tile does include "-lgcc" for > > example), but I _do_ object to the notion that we say "let's use > > libgcc in general". > > > > So no. I do not believe that the occasional pain of a few people who > > do 64-bit divides incorrectly is a good enough argument to start using > > libgcc. > > > > Does your objection still apply if we supplied our own implementations > of a handful of libgcc helpers? It's not just a matter of "how fast is the divide". The 32-bit build error is supposed to prompt people to ask "did I really need to use 64 bits". That *used* to work. A bit. But nowadays the errors are detected so late that the fix (often by someone other than the original developer) is to just slap a do_div() in there. And as the build error no longer appears to be having the desired effect, I too have been wondering if it's time to just give up and implement __udivdi and friends. Or maybe there's a way of breaking 64-bit builds instead ;) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* enabling libgcc for 64-bit divisions, was Re: PROBLEM: XFS on ARM corruption 'Structure needs cleaning' 2015-08-12 15:49 ` Linus Torvalds 2015-08-12 22:20 ` Andy Lutomirski @ 2015-10-08 15:50 ` Pavel Machek 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Pavel Machek @ 2015-10-08 15:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-arm-kernel Hi! On Wed 2015-08-12 08:49:45, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote: > > > > Maybe it's time to rely on gcc to handle 64 bit divisions now? > > Ugh. gcc still does a pretty horrible job at it. While gcc knows that > a widening 32x32->64 multiplication can be simplified, it doesn't do > the same thing for a 64/32->64 division, and always calls __udivdi3 > for it. > > Now, __udivdi3 does avoid the general nasty case by then testing the > upper 32 bits of the divisor against zero, so it's not entirely > disastrous. It's just ugly. > > But perhaps more importantly, I'm not at all sure libgcc is > kernel-safe. In particular, I'm not at all sure it *remains* > kernel-safe. Just as an example: can you guarantee that libgcc doesn't U-Boot relies on toolchain-provided libgcc by default, and one of reasons we do that is so that libgcc stays sane. Yes, there's occasionally some fun with that. But if kernel did that, at least U-Boot would not be alone with the fun. Pavel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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