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From: juri.lelli@arm.com (Juri Lelli)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 2/8] Documentation: arm: define DT cpu capacity bindings
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:09:19 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151211100919.GH14571@e106622-lin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <566988D4.50406@arm.com>

Hi,

On 10/12/15 14:14, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
> On 01/12/15 11:20, Juri Lelli wrote:
> > Hi Vincent,
> > 
> > On 30/11/15 10:59, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> >> Hi Juri,
> >>
> >> On 24 November 2015 at 11:54, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >>>>> +==========================================
> >>>>> +3 - capacity-scale
> >>>>> +==========================================
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +CPUs capacities are defined with respect to capacity-scale property in the cpus
> >>>>> +node [1]. The property is optional; if not defined a 1024 capacity-scale is
> >>>>> +assumed. This property defines both the highest CPU capacity present in the
> >>>>> +system and granularity of CPU capacity values.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't really see the point of this vs. having an absolute scale.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> IMHO, we need this for several reasons, one being to address one of your
> >>> concerns below: vendors are free to choose their scale without being
> >>> forced to publish absolute data. Another reason is that it might make
> >>> life easier in certain cases; for example, someone could implement a
> >>> system with a few clusters of, say, A57s, but some run at half the clock
> >>> of the others (e.g., you have a 1.2GHz cluster and a 600MHz cluster); in
> >>> this case I think it is just easier to define capacity-scale as 1200 and
> >>> capacities as 1200 and 600. Last reason that I can think of right now is
> >>> that we don't probably want to bound ourself to some particular range
> >>> from the beginning, as that range might be enough now, but it could
> >>> change in the future (as in, right now [1-1024] looks fine for
> >>> scheduling purposes, but that might change).
> >>
> >> Like Rob, i don't really see the benefit of this optional
> >> capacity-scale property. Parsing the capacity of all cpu nodes should
> >> give you a range as well.
> >> IMHO, this property looks like an optimization of the code that will
> >> parse the dt more than a HW description
> >>
> > 
> > I agree that we can come up with the same information just looking at
> > the biggest capacity value of all CPUs and treat that value as
> > capacity-scale. I just thought that having that explicit made things
> > clearer, as it could be not easy to immediately see from a DT with many
> > CPUs which is the biggest capacity value. But, yes, we could remove that
> > anyway.
> 
> +1! This capacity-scale complicates things unnecessarily. It was hard
> for me to understand the meaning of it. Your 2. example sets
> 'capacity-scale = <2>' but also 'capacity = <2>' for cpu[01] and
> 'capacity = <1>' for cpu[23]. This can be easily replaced by 'capacity =
> <1024>' for cpu[01] and 'capacity = <512>' for cpu[23]. Much more
> readable, as it was mentioned already in this thread.
> 
> I understand that we don't want to limit the range of capacity values in
> the dt file to [1..1024] nor enforce that the cpu w/ the highest
> capacity has to have the value of 1024 in the dt file so the scheduler
> has to scale accordingly if we want to limit capacity to its supported
> capacity range (like with EAS [1..1024]).
> 

OK, I guess I can easily remove capacity-value and simply normalize CPU
capacities w.r.t. the highest capacity in the DT.

Thanks,

- Juri

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-11 10:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-23 14:28 [RFC PATCH 0/8] CPUs capacity information for heterogeneous systems Juri Lelli
2015-11-23 14:28 ` [RFC PATCH 1/8] ARM: initialize cpu_scale to its default Juri Lelli
2015-11-30 11:13   ` Vincent Guittot
2015-11-23 14:28 ` [RFC PATCH 2/8] Documentation: arm: define DT cpu capacity bindings Juri Lelli
2015-11-24  2:06   ` Rob Herring
2015-11-24 10:54     ` Juri Lelli
2015-11-30  9:59       ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-01 11:20         ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-10 14:14           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-12-11 10:09             ` Juri Lelli [this message]
2015-12-10 15:30     ` Mark Brown
2015-12-10 17:58       ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-11 17:49         ` Mark Brown
2015-12-14 12:36           ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-14 16:59             ` Mark Brown
2015-12-15 12:22               ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-15 13:39                 ` Mark Brown
2015-12-15 14:01                   ` Mark Rutland
2015-12-15 14:24                     ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-15 14:50                       ` Mark Rutland
2015-12-15 15:36                         ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-15 15:08                     ` Mark Brown
2015-12-15 15:32                       ` Mark Rutland
2015-12-15 15:46                         ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-15 15:57                           ` Mark Rutland
2015-12-15 16:23                             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-12-15 16:41                               ` Mark Rutland
2015-12-15 16:59                                 ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15 17:15                                   ` Mark Rutland
2015-12-15 17:47                                     ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15 18:39                                       ` Mark Rutland
2015-12-15 17:17                         ` Mark Brown
2015-12-15 17:28                           ` Mark Rutland
2015-12-15 17:45                             ` Mark Brown
2015-12-15 18:10                               ` Mark Rutland
2015-12-15 18:45                                 ` Mark Brown
2015-12-17  9:07                               ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-15 13:55                 ` Vincent Guittot
2015-11-23 14:28 ` [RFC PATCH 3/8] arm: parse cpu capacity from DT Juri Lelli
2015-12-10 14:14   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-12-11 10:12     ` Juri Lelli
2015-11-23 14:28 ` [RFC PATCH 4/8] arm, dts: add TC2 cpu capacity information Juri Lelli
2015-11-23 14:28 ` [RFC PATCH 5/8] arm64: parse cpu capacity from DT Juri Lelli
2015-12-10 14:15   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-12-11 10:07     ` Juri Lelli
2015-11-23 14:28 ` [RFC PATCH 6/8] arm64, dts: add Juno cpu capacity information Juri Lelli
2015-11-23 14:28 ` [RFC PATCH 7/8] arm: add sysfs cpu_capacity attribute Juri Lelli
2015-11-23 14:28 ` [RFC PATCH 8/8] arm64: " Juri Lelli
2015-12-10 14:15   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-12-10 15:59     ` Mark Brown
2015-12-10 18:01       ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-11 17:54         ` Mark Brown
2015-12-07 12:02 ` [RFC PATCH 0/8] CPUs capacity information for heterogeneous systems Juri Lelli
2015-12-07 12:11   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-12-07 12:36     ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-07 13:18       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-12-07 15:41         ` Juri Lelli

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