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From: lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com (Lorenzo Pieralisi)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH V7 00/11] Support for generic ACPI based PCI host controller
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 18:24:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160524172423.GA15855@red-moon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160523233918.GA32555@localhost>

Hi Bjorn,

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 06:39:18PM -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:

[...]

> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 03:16:01PM +0000, Gabriele Paoloni wrote:
> I don't think of ECAM support itself as a "driver".  It's just a
> service available to drivers, similar to OF resource parsing.
> 
> Per PCI Firmware r3.2, sec 4.1.5, "PNP0A03" means a PCI/PCI-X/PCIe
> host bridge.  "PNP0A08" means a PCI-X Mode 2 or PCIe bridge that
> supports extended config space.  It doesn't specify how we access that
> config space, so I think hardware with non-standard ECAM should still
> have PNP0A03 and PNP0A08 in _CID or _HID.
> 
> "ECAM" as used in the specs (PCIe r3.0, sec 7.2.2, and PCI Firmware
> r3.2, sec 4.1) means:
> 
>   (a) a memory-mapped model for config space access, and
>   (b) a specific mapping of address bits to bus/device/function/
>       register
> 
> MCFG and _CBA assume both (a) and (b), so I think a device with
> non-standard ECAM mappings should not be described in MCFG or _CBA.
> 
> If a bridge has ECAM with non-standard mappings, I think either a
> vendor-specific _HID or a device-specific method, e.g., _DSM, could
> communicate that.
> 
> Jon, I agree that we should avoid describing non-standardized hardware
> in Linux-specific ways.  Is there a mechanism in use already?  How
> does Windows handle this?  DMI is a poor long-term solution because it
> requires ongoing maintenance for new platforms, but I think it's OK
> for getting started with platforms already shipping.
> 
> A _DSM has the advantage that once it is defined and supported, OEMs
> can ship new platforms without requiring a new quirk or a new _HID to
> be added to a driver.
> 
> There would still be the problem of config access before the namespace
> is available, i.e., the MCFG use case.  I don't know how important
> that is.  Defining an MCFG extension seems like the most obvious
> solution.

Your summary above is a perfect representation of the situation.

We had an opportunity to sync-up on the current status of ACPI PCI
for ARM64 (and talked about a way forward for this series, which
includes quirks handling), let me summarize it here for everyone
involved so that we can agree on a way forward.

1) ACPI PCI support for PNP0A03/PNP0A08 host bridges on top of MCFG
   ECAM for config space is basically ready (Tomasz and JC addressed
   Rafael's concerns in relation to ARM64 specific code, and managed
   to find a way to allocate domain numbers in preparation for Arnd
   pci_create_root_bus() clean-up, v8 to be posted shortly and should
   be final). This provides support for de-facto ACPI/PCI ECAM base
   standard for ARM64 (with a clean-split between generic code and ARM64
   bits, where ARM64, like X86 and IA64, manages in arch code IO space and
   PCI resources, to be further consolidated in the near future).
   I do not think anyone can complain about the generality of what we
   achieved, for systems that are PCI standard (yes, PCI STANDARD) this
   would just be sufficient.
2) In a real world (1) is not enough. Some ARM64 platforms, not entirely
   ECAM compliant, already shipped with the corresponding firmware that
   we can't update. HW has ECAM quirks and to work around it in the kernel
   we put forward many solutions to the problem, it is time we found a
   solution (when, of course, (1) is completed and upstream).
   Using the MCFG table OEMID matching floated around in this thread
   would work fine for most of the platforms (and cross-OS) that have
   shipped with HW ECAM quirks, so I think that's the starting point for
   our solution and that's how we can sort this out, _today_.

   The solution is a trivial look-up table:
   MCFG OEMID <-> PCI config space ops

3) (2) does not just work on some platforms (and we can't predict the
   future either - actually I can, it is three letters, ECAM), simply
   because MCFG OEMID matching does not provide a way to attach further
   data to the MCFG (eg if config space for, say, bus 0 domain 0, is not
   ECAM compliant, the config region can't be handled and must not be
   handled through a corresponding MCFG region.
   That's the problem Gabriele is facing and wants to solve through
   something like:

   https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/3/9/91

   in the respective ACPI tables-bindings. It may be an idea worth
   pursuing, it does not solve (2) simply because that FW has shipped,
   we can't patch it any longer.

Hence to finally support ACPI PCI on ARM64 I suggest we carry out the
following steps, in order:

- Let's complete/merge (1), that's fundamental to this whole thread
- On top of (1) we apply a quirking mechanism based on (2) that allows
  us to boot mainline with boxes shipping today with no FW update required.
- We devise a way to handle quirks that is more generic than (2) so that
  can we can accomodate further platforms that can't rely on (2) but
  have more leeway in terms of FW updates.

I hope that's a reasonable plan, Tomasz's v8 series coming to kick it off.

Thank you,
Lorenzo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-05-24 17:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-10 15:19 [PATCH V7 00/11] Support for generic ACPI based PCI host controller Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-10 15:19 ` [PATCH V7 01/11] PCI: Provide common functions for ECAM mapping Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-10 15:19 ` [PATCH V7 02/11] PCI: generic, thunder: update to use generic ECAM API Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-10 15:19 ` [PATCH V7 03/11] pci, of: Move the PCI I/O space management to PCI core code Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-10 17:59   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-11  7:36     ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-11 11:01       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-10 15:19 ` [PATCH V7 04/11] pci: Add new function to unmap IO resources Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-23  8:28   ` Jayachandran C
2016-05-10 15:19 ` [PATCH V7 05/11] acpi, pci: Support IO resources when parsing PCI host bridge resources Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-10 18:20   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-11  7:39     ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-10 15:19 ` [PATCH V7 06/11] pci, acpi: Provide a way to assign bus domain number Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-10 15:19 ` [PATCH V7 07/11] pci, acpi: Handle ACPI companion assignment Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-10 18:37   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-10 18:43     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-11 10:11     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-05-11 20:30       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-11 22:43         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-05-12 10:01           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-05-12 10:43           ` Jayachandran C
2016-05-12 11:27             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-13 10:32               ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-05-12 10:50           ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-12 12:08             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-05-17  3:11   ` Dongdong Liu
2016-05-17 13:44     ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-10 15:19 ` [PATCH V7 08/11] pci, acpi: Support for ACPI based generic PCI host controller Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-10 17:54   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-10 18:18   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-13 11:25   ` Jayachandran C
2016-05-13 11:31     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-13 11:42       ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-14  9:07   ` Jayachandran C
2016-05-23 11:34     ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-19 16:56   ` Matthias Brugger
2016-05-10 15:19 ` [PATCH V7 09/11] arm64, pci, acpi: ACPI support for legacy IRQs parsing and consolidation with DT code Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-10 15:20 ` [PATCH V7 10/11] arm64, pci, acpi: Provide ACPI-specific prerequisites for PCI bus enumeration Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-10 15:20 ` [PATCH V7 11/11] arm64, pci, acpi: Start using ACPI based PCI host controller driver for ARM64 Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-11 10:41 ` [PATCH V7 00/11] Support for generic ACPI based PCI host controller Gabriele Paoloni
2016-05-11 11:08   ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-11 12:53     ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-05-20  4:41     ` Jon Masters
2016-05-20  7:37       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-05-20  8:01         ` Jon Masters
2016-05-20  8:28           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-05-20  8:40             ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-05-20  9:14               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-05-23 10:56                 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-05-23 15:16                   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-05-23 23:39                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-05-24  1:11                       ` Jon Masters
2016-05-24  1:48                         ` Jon Masters
2016-05-24 14:33                         ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-05-24  7:23                       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-05-24 14:38                         ` Jon Masters
2016-05-24 17:24                       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi [this message]
2016-05-24 17:35                         ` Jon Masters
2016-05-24 19:00                         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-05-26  9:58                           ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-05-25  6:31                         ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-05-24  4:20                   ` Jon Masters
2016-05-20  8:11         ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-05-20  8:24           ` Jon Masters
2016-05-13  2:55 ` Duc Dang
2016-05-19 18:18 ` Jeremy Linton
2016-05-20  7:46 ` Jon Masters
2016-05-23 11:25 ` Dongdong Liu
2016-05-23 15:36 ` Sinan Kaya

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