From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: System/uncore PMUs and unit aggregation
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:17:08 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161117181708.GT22855@arm.com> (raw)
Hi all,
We currently have support for three arm64 system PMUs in flight:
[Cavium ThunderX] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/cover.1477741719.git.jglauber at cavium.com
[Hisilicon Hip0x] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/1478151727-20250-1-git-send-email-anurup.m at huawei.com
[Qualcomm L2] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/1477687813-11412-1-git-send-email-nleeder at codeaurora.org
Each of which have to deal with multiple underlying hardware units in one
way or another. Mark and I recently expressed a desire to expose these
units to userspace as individual PMU instances, since this can allow:
* Fine-grained control of events from userspace, when you want to see
individual numbers as opposed to a summed total
* Potentially ease migration to new SoC revisions, where the units
are laid out slightly differently
* Easier handling of cases where the units aren't quite identical
however, this received pushback from all of the patch authors, so there's
clearly a problem with this approach. I'm hoping we can try to resolve
this here.
Speaking to Mark earlier today, we came up with the following rough rules
for drivers that present multiple hardware units as a single PMU:
1. If the units share some part of the programming interface (e.g. control
registers or interrupts), then they must be handled by the same PMU.
Otherwise, they should be treated independently as separate PMU
instances.
2. If the units are handled by the same PMU, then care must be taken to
handle event groups correctly. That is, if the units cannot be started
and stopped atomically, cross-unit groups must be rejected by the
driver. Furthermore, any cross-unit scheduling constraints must be
honoured so that all the units targetted by a group can schedule the
group concurrently.
3. Summing the counters across units is only permitted if the units
can all be started and stopped atomically. Otherwise, the counters
should be exposed individually. It's up to the driver author to
decide what makes sense to sum.
4. Unit topology can optionally be described in sysfs (we should pick
some standard directory naming here), and then events targetting
specific units can have the unit identifier extracted from the topology
encoded in some configN fields.
The million dollar question is: how does that fit in with the drivers I
mentioned at the top? Is this overly restrictive, or have we missed stuff?
We certainly want to allow flexibility in the way in which the drivers
talk to the hardware, but given that these decisions directly affect the
user ABI, some consistent ground rules are required.
For Cavium ThunderX, it's not clear whether or not the individual units
could be expressed as separate PMUs, or whether they're caught by one of
the rules above. The Qualcomm L2 looks like it's doing the right thing
and we can't quite work out what the Hisilicon Hip0x topology looks like,
since the interaction with djtag is confusing.
If the driver authors (on To:) could shed some light on this, then that
would be much appreciated!
Thanks,
Will
next reply other threads:[~2016-11-17 18:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-11-17 18:17 Will Deacon [this message]
2016-11-18 3:16 ` System/uncore PMUs and unit aggregation Leeder, Neil
2017-01-10 18:54 ` Will Deacon
2017-01-11 0:46 ` Leeder, Neil
2016-11-18 8:15 ` Anurup M
2017-01-10 18:56 ` Will Deacon
2016-11-18 9:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-18 16:25 ` Liang, Kan
2016-11-18 11:10 ` Jan Glauber
2016-11-23 17:18 ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-16 11:08 ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2017-03-20 12:37 ` Will Deacon
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