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From: linux@armlinux.org.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] arm: spin one more cycle in timer-based delays
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:54:10 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161118125409.GK1041@n2100.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161118120630.GJ13470@arm.com>

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:06:30PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 02:36:33PM +0100, Mason wrote:
> > When polling a tick counter in a busy loop, one might sample the
> > counter just *before* it is updated, and then again just *after*
> > it is updated. In that case, while mathematically v2-v1 equals 1,
> > only epsilon has really passed.
> > 
> > So, if a caller requests an N-cycle delay, we spin until v2-v1
> > is strictly greater than N to avoid these random corner cases.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Mason <slash.tmp@free.fr>
> > ---
> >  arch/arm/lib/delay.c | 2 +-
> >  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/arch/arm/lib/delay.c b/arch/arm/lib/delay.c
> > index 69aad80a3af4..3f1cd15ca102 100644
> > --- a/arch/arm/lib/delay.c
> > +++ b/arch/arm/lib/delay.c
> > @@ -60,7 +60,7 @@ static void __timer_delay(unsigned long cycles)
> >  {
> >  	cycles_t start = get_cycles();
> >  
> > -	while ((get_cycles() - start) < cycles)
> > +	while ((get_cycles() - start) <= cycles)
> >  		cpu_relax();
> >  }
> 
> I thought a bit about this last night. It is well known that the delay
> routines are not guaranteed to be accurate, and I don't *think* that's
> limited to over-spinning, so arguably this isn't a bug. However, taking
> the approach that "drivers should figure it out" is also unhelpful,
> because the frequency of the underlying counter isn't generally known
> and so drivers can't simply adjust the delay parameter.

I don't think this change makes any sense whatsoever.  udelay() is
inaccurate, period.  It _will_ give delays shorter than requested
for many reasons, many of which can't be fixed.

Having a super-accurate version just encourages people to write broken
drivers which assume (eg) that udelay(10) will give _at least_ a 10us
delay.  However, there is no such guarantee.

So, having udelay() for timers return slightly short is actually a good
thing - it causes people not to make the mistake to be soo accurate
with their delay specifications.

So, NAK on this change.  udelay is not super-accurate.

Reference (and this is the most important one):

  http://lists.openwall.net/linux-kernel/2011/01/12/372

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-11-18 12:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-15 13:36 [PATCH] arm: spin one more cycle in timer-based delays Mason
2016-11-18 12:06 ` Will Deacon
2016-11-18 12:24   ` Mason
2016-11-18 12:54   ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2016-11-18 14:18     ` Mason
2016-11-18 14:42       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-18 17:51       ` Mason
2016-11-19  7:17       ` Afzal Mohammed
2016-11-19 11:03         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-11-19 18:29           ` Mason
2016-11-20 19:18             ` Doug Anderson
2016-11-20 19:44               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-11-20 20:00                 ` Mason
2016-11-20  6:15           ` Afzal Mohammed
2016-11-20 19:15           ` Doug Anderson
2016-11-18 17:13     ` Doug Anderson
2016-11-18 17:32       ` Russell King - ARM Linux

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