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From: mark.rutland@arm.com (Mark Rutland)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: System/uncore PMUs and unit aggregation
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 17:18:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161123171846.GP24624@leverpostej> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161118111017.GA22798@hardcore>

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:10:17PM +0100, Jan Glauber wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 06:17:08PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:

> > Speaking to Mark earlier today, we came up with the following rough rules
> > for drivers that present multiple hardware units as a single PMU:
> > 
> >   1. If the units share some part of the programming interface (e.g. control
> >      registers or interrupts), then they must be handled by the same PMU.
> >      Otherwise, they should be treated independently as separate PMU
> >      instances.
> 
> Can you elaborate why they should be treated independent in the later
> case? What is the problem with going through a list and writing the
> control register per unit?

For one thing, event groups spanning those units cannot be scheduled
atomically (some events would be counting while others were not),
violating group semantics.

> >   3. Summing the counters across units is only permitted if the units
> >      can all be started and stopped atomically. Otherwise, the counters
> >      should be exposed individually. It's up to the driver author to
> >      decide what makes sense to sum.
> 
> Do you mean started/stopped atomically across units?

Yes. If some units are counting while others are not, values can be
skewed, and therefore potentially misleading.

> > For Cavium ThunderX, it's not clear whether or not the individual units
> > could be expressed as separate PMUs, or whether they're caught by one of
> > the rules above. The Qualcomm L2 looks like it's doing the right thing
> > and we can't quite work out what the Hisilicon Hip0x topology looks like,
> > since the interaction with djtag is confusing.
> 
> On Cavium ThunderX the current patches add 4 PMU types, which unfortunately
> are all handled different. The L2C-TAD and OCX-TLK have control
> registers per unit. The LMC and L2C-CBC don't have control registers,
> (free-running counters). So rule 1 might be too restrictive.
> 
> I've not looked into groups, would these allow to merge counters from
> different PMUs in the kernel?

No; event groups are strictly single PMU, with the sole exception that
software events may be placed inside a hardware event group (since
there's no start/stop logic required for SW events).

Thanks,
Mark.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-23 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-17 18:17 System/uncore PMUs and unit aggregation Will Deacon
2016-11-18  3:16 ` Leeder, Neil
2017-01-10 18:54   ` Will Deacon
2017-01-11  0:46     ` Leeder, Neil
2016-11-18  8:15 ` Anurup M
2017-01-10 18:56   ` Will Deacon
2016-11-18  9:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-18 16:25   ` Liang, Kan
2016-11-18 11:10 ` Jan Glauber
2016-11-23 17:18   ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2017-03-16 11:08 ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2017-03-20 12:37   ` Will Deacon

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