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From: pavel@ucw.cz (Pavel Machek)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: v4.10-rc4 to v4.10-rc5: battery regression on Nokia N900
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 20:12:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170127191247.GC20571@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170127172039.GA2498@roeck-us.net>

On Fri 2017-01-27 09:20:39, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:40:33PM +0800, Zhang Rui wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > If thermal zone I/F is used, we can not change it's 'type' name to
> > > > be
> > > > compatible with new hwmon API.
> > > > 
> > > You mean you can not fix the name to be compatible with libsensors.
> > > 
> > 
> > We can try to convert it to a libsensor-compatible string, either for
> > hwmon only, or for both thermal and hwmon. But this is an ABI change,
> > right?
> 
> Let's go back to the basics.
> 
> Fact is that the thermal subsystem registers hwmon devices with 'name'
> attributes which violate the documented hardware monitoring ABI.
> I think we can consider this undisputed.
> 
> The rest is pretty much all opinion.
> 
> Is a change in a driver to stop violating a documented ABI an ABI change
> or a bug fix ? In other words, does a driver violating a documented ABI
> make that ABI violation part of the ABI ?

It can be both. But "no regressions" takes precedence over
"documentation".

> Quite interesting questions. My take is that it is a bug fix, others
> apparently have the strong opinion that potential users of such an ABI
> violation have priority, and that a violation of a documented ABI _does_
> make this violation part of the ABI.

"Potential" users you can work around. "Real" users are problem.

And yes, I have strong opinion about release candidates. Outside that,
see my next mail.

									Pavel
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-01-27 19:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-23 12:40 v4.10-rc4 to v4.10-rc5: battery regression on Nokia N900 Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 12:42 ` Pali Rohár
2017-01-23 14:20   ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 14:19 ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 14:31   ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-23 14:40     ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 17:10       ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-23 23:26       ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 23:49         ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-24  7:06           ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-24  7:37             ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24 14:18               ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-24 17:58                 ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24 18:45                   ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-24 22:46                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24 23:07                       ` Fabio Estevam
2017-01-25  5:29                         ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-25 10:17                           ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-25 11:12                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-25 11:51                       ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-25 12:09                       ` Pali Rohár
2017-01-27  1:37                         ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-27  2:03                           ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27  3:39                             ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-27  6:27                               ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27 11:16                                 ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 14:13                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27 19:06                                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 14:40                                 ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-27 17:20                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27 19:12                                     ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2017-01-27 19:29                                   ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27  8:35                               ` Pali Rohár
2017-01-27 11:09                             ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 14:14                               ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27 19:02                                 ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 11:29                         ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24 14:10             ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-24 14:15               ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24 14:30                 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-24  7:34           ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24 14:15             ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-23 20:22   ` Pavel Machek

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