* [PATCH] arm64: kaslr: Adjust the offset to avoid Image across alignment boundary
@ 2017-08-18 15:04 Catalin Marinas
2017-08-18 15:19 ` Catalin Marinas
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Catalin Marinas @ 2017-08-18 15:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-arm-kernel
With 16KB pages and a kernel Image larger than 16MB, the current
kaslr_early_init() logic for avoiding mappings across swapper table
boundaries fails since increasing the offset by kimg_sz just moves the
problem to the next boundary.
This patch decreases the offset by the boundary overflow amount, with
slight risk of reduced entropy as the kernel is more likely to be found
at kimg_sz below a swapper table boundary.
Trying-to-fix: afd0e5a87670 ("arm64: kaslr: Fix up the kernel image alignment")
Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Cc: Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraju@codeaurora.org>
Signed-off-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
---
While preparing this email, I noticed that the kernel eventually failed
to boot, though after a lot more reboot iterations. Mark Rutland also
managed to make the KASLR kernel fail to boot with 64K pages which
wouldn't be explained by this patch.
So, any suggestions are welcome. My testing method, qemu starting a
guest in a loop with virtio-rng-pci.
Thanks.
arch/arm64/kernel/kaslr.c | 9 +++++----
1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
diff --git a/arch/arm64/kernel/kaslr.c b/arch/arm64/kernel/kaslr.c
index a9710efb8c01..e8cdc02f66ae 100644
--- a/arch/arm64/kernel/kaslr.c
+++ b/arch/arm64/kernel/kaslr.c
@@ -131,13 +131,14 @@ u64 __init kaslr_early_init(u64 dt_phys, u64 modulo_offset)
/*
* The kernel Image should not extend across a 1GB/32MB/512MB alignment
* boundary (for 4KB/16KB/64KB granule kernels, respectively). If this
- * happens, increase the KASLR offset by the size of the kernel image
- * rounded up by SWAPPER_BLOCK_SIZE.
+ * happens, decrease the KASLR offset by the boundary overflow rounded
+ * up to SWAPPER_BLOCK_SIZE.
*/
if ((((u64)_text + offset + modulo_offset) >> SWAPPER_TABLE_SHIFT) !=
(((u64)_end + offset + modulo_offset) >> SWAPPER_TABLE_SHIFT)) {
- u64 kimg_sz = _end - _text;
- offset = (offset + round_up(kimg_sz, SWAPPER_BLOCK_SIZE))
+ u64 adjust = ((u64)_end + offset + modulo_offset) &
+ ((1 << SWAPPER_TABLE_SHIFT) - 1);
+ offset = (offset - round_up(adjust, SWAPPER_BLOCK_SIZE))
& mask;
}
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* [PATCH] arm64: kaslr: Adjust the offset to avoid Image across alignment boundary
2017-08-18 15:04 [PATCH] arm64: kaslr: Adjust the offset to avoid Image across alignment boundary Catalin Marinas
@ 2017-08-18 15:19 ` Catalin Marinas
2017-08-18 15:20 ` Ard Biesheuvel
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Catalin Marinas @ 2017-08-18 15:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-arm-kernel
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 04:04:34PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> With 16KB pages and a kernel Image larger than 16MB, the current
> kaslr_early_init() logic for avoiding mappings across swapper table
> boundaries fails since increasing the offset by kimg_sz just moves the
> problem to the next boundary.
>
> This patch decreases the offset by the boundary overflow amount, with
> slight risk of reduced entropy as the kernel is more likely to be found
> at kimg_sz below a swapper table boundary.
>
> Trying-to-fix: afd0e5a87670 ("arm64: kaslr: Fix up the kernel image alignment")
> Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
> Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
> Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
> Cc: Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraju@codeaurora.org>
> Signed-off-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> ---
>
> While preparing this email, I noticed that the kernel eventually failed
> to boot, though after a lot more reboot iterations. Mark Rutland also
> managed to make the KASLR kernel fail to boot with 64K pages which
> wouldn't be explained by this patch.
>
> So, any suggestions are welcome. My testing method, qemu starting a
> guest in a loop with virtio-rng-pci.
Apparently, the booting gets much more stable if I disable the physical
relocation in arm64-stub.c (but keep the virtual one with the fix in
this patch). So I guess we are chasing two different issues.
--
Catalin
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* [PATCH] arm64: kaslr: Adjust the offset to avoid Image across alignment boundary
2017-08-18 15:19 ` Catalin Marinas
@ 2017-08-18 15:20 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-08-18 15:22 ` Catalin Marinas
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Ard Biesheuvel @ 2017-08-18 15:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-arm-kernel
On 18 August 2017 at 16:19, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 04:04:34PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
>> With 16KB pages and a kernel Image larger than 16MB, the current
>> kaslr_early_init() logic for avoiding mappings across swapper table
>> boundaries fails since increasing the offset by kimg_sz just moves the
>> problem to the next boundary.
>>
>> This patch decreases the offset by the boundary overflow amount, with
>> slight risk of reduced entropy as the kernel is more likely to be found
>> at kimg_sz below a swapper table boundary.
>>
>> Trying-to-fix: afd0e5a87670 ("arm64: kaslr: Fix up the kernel image alignment")
>> Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
>> Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
>> Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
>> Cc: Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraju@codeaurora.org>
>> Signed-off-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
>> ---
>>
>> While preparing this email, I noticed that the kernel eventually failed
>> to boot, though after a lot more reboot iterations. Mark Rutland also
>> managed to make the KASLR kernel fail to boot with 64K pages which
>> wouldn't be explained by this patch.
>>
>> So, any suggestions are welcome. My testing method, qemu starting a
>> guest in a loop with virtio-rng-pci.
>
> Apparently, the booting gets much more stable if I disable the physical
> relocation in arm64-stub.c (but keep the virtual one with the fix in
> this patch). So I guess we are chasing two different issues.
>
So this is using QEMU with 16k pages support?
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* [PATCH] arm64: kaslr: Adjust the offset to avoid Image across alignment boundary
2017-08-18 15:20 ` Ard Biesheuvel
@ 2017-08-18 15:22 ` Catalin Marinas
2017-08-18 15:24 ` Ard Biesheuvel
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Catalin Marinas @ 2017-08-18 15:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-arm-kernel
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 04:20:16PM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On 18 August 2017 at 16:19, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 04:04:34PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> >> With 16KB pages and a kernel Image larger than 16MB, the current
> >> kaslr_early_init() logic for avoiding mappings across swapper table
> >> boundaries fails since increasing the offset by kimg_sz just moves the
> >> problem to the next boundary.
> >>
> >> This patch decreases the offset by the boundary overflow amount, with
> >> slight risk of reduced entropy as the kernel is more likely to be found
> >> at kimg_sz below a swapper table boundary.
> >>
> >> Trying-to-fix: afd0e5a87670 ("arm64: kaslr: Fix up the kernel image alignment")
> >> Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
> >> Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
> >> Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
> >> Cc: Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraju@codeaurora.org>
> >> Signed-off-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> While preparing this email, I noticed that the kernel eventually failed
> >> to boot, though after a lot more reboot iterations. Mark Rutland also
> >> managed to make the KASLR kernel fail to boot with 64K pages which
> >> wouldn't be explained by this patch.
> >>
> >> So, any suggestions are welcome. My testing method, qemu starting a
> >> guest in a loop with virtio-rng-pci.
> >
> > Apparently, the booting gets much more stable if I disable the physical
> > relocation in arm64-stub.c (but keep the virtual one with the fix in
> > this patch). So I guess we are chasing two different issues.
>
> So this is using QEMU with 16k pages support?
Qemu running on a ThunderX, so native KVM support.
--
Catalin
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* [PATCH] arm64: kaslr: Adjust the offset to avoid Image across alignment boundary
2017-08-18 15:22 ` Catalin Marinas
@ 2017-08-18 15:24 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-08-18 15:29 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-08-18 15:35 ` Mark Rutland
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Ard Biesheuvel @ 2017-08-18 15:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-arm-kernel
On 18 August 2017 at 16:22, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 04:20:16PM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>> On 18 August 2017 at 16:19, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 04:04:34PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
>> >> With 16KB pages and a kernel Image larger than 16MB, the current
>> >> kaslr_early_init() logic for avoiding mappings across swapper table
>> >> boundaries fails since increasing the offset by kimg_sz just moves the
>> >> problem to the next boundary.
>> >>
>> >> This patch decreases the offset by the boundary overflow amount, with
>> >> slight risk of reduced entropy as the kernel is more likely to be found
>> >> at kimg_sz below a swapper table boundary.
>> >>
>> >> Trying-to-fix: afd0e5a87670 ("arm64: kaslr: Fix up the kernel image alignment")
>> >> Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
>> >> Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
>> >> Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
>> >> Cc: Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraju@codeaurora.org>
>> >> Signed-off-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
>> >> ---
>> >>
>> >> While preparing this email, I noticed that the kernel eventually failed
>> >> to boot, though after a lot more reboot iterations. Mark Rutland also
>> >> managed to make the KASLR kernel fail to boot with 64K pages which
>> >> wouldn't be explained by this patch.
>> >>
>> >> So, any suggestions are welcome. My testing method, qemu starting a
>> >> guest in a loop with virtio-rng-pci.
>> >
>> > Apparently, the booting gets much more stable if I disable the physical
>> > relocation in arm64-stub.c (but keep the virtual one with the fix in
>> > this patch). So I guess we are chasing two different issues.
>>
>> So this is using QEMU with 16k pages support?
>
> Qemu running on a ThunderX, so native KVM support.
>
Ah ok. I did not realize QEMU supports 16 KB pages in that case. Nice!
However, that makes it rather difficult to reproduce on my side.
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* [PATCH] arm64: kaslr: Adjust the offset to avoid Image across alignment boundary
2017-08-18 15:24 ` Ard Biesheuvel
@ 2017-08-18 15:29 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-08-18 15:33 ` Catalin Marinas
2017-08-18 15:35 ` Mark Rutland
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Ard Biesheuvel @ 2017-08-18 15:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-arm-kernel
On 18 August 2017 at 16:24, Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org> wrote:
> On 18 August 2017 at 16:22, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 04:20:16PM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>>> On 18 August 2017 at 16:19, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
>>> > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 04:04:34PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
>>> >> With 16KB pages and a kernel Image larger than 16MB, the current
>>> >> kaslr_early_init() logic for avoiding mappings across swapper table
>>> >> boundaries fails since increasing the offset by kimg_sz just moves the
>>> >> problem to the next boundary.
>>> >>
>>> >> This patch decreases the offset by the boundary overflow amount, with
>>> >> slight risk of reduced entropy as the kernel is more likely to be found
>>> >> at kimg_sz below a swapper table boundary.
>>> >>
>>> >> Trying-to-fix: afd0e5a87670 ("arm64: kaslr: Fix up the kernel image alignment")
>>> >> Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
>>> >> Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
>>> >> Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
>>> >> Cc: Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraju@codeaurora.org>
>>> >> Signed-off-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
>>> >> ---
>>> >>
>>> >> While preparing this email, I noticed that the kernel eventually failed
>>> >> to boot, though after a lot more reboot iterations. Mark Rutland also
>>> >> managed to make the KASLR kernel fail to boot with 64K pages which
>>> >> wouldn't be explained by this patch.
>>> >>
>>> >> So, any suggestions are welcome. My testing method, qemu starting a
>>> >> guest in a loop with virtio-rng-pci.
>>> >
>>> > Apparently, the booting gets much more stable if I disable the physical
>>> > relocation in arm64-stub.c (but keep the virtual one with the fix in
>>> > this patch). So I guess we are chasing two different issues.
>>>
>>> So this is using QEMU with 16k pages support?
>>
>> Qemu running on a ThunderX, so native KVM support.
>>
>
> Ah ok. I did not realize QEMU supports 16 KB pages in that case. Nice!
>
> However, that makes it rather difficult to reproduce on my side.
Are you booting with an initrd?
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* [PATCH] arm64: kaslr: Adjust the offset to avoid Image across alignment boundary
2017-08-18 15:29 ` Ard Biesheuvel
@ 2017-08-18 15:33 ` Catalin Marinas
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Catalin Marinas @ 2017-08-18 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-arm-kernel
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 04:29:44PM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On 18 August 2017 at 16:24, Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org> wrote:
> > On 18 August 2017 at 16:22, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 04:20:16PM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> >>> On 18 August 2017 at 16:19, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> >>> > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 04:04:34PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> >>> >> With 16KB pages and a kernel Image larger than 16MB, the current
> >>> >> kaslr_early_init() logic for avoiding mappings across swapper table
> >>> >> boundaries fails since increasing the offset by kimg_sz just moves the
> >>> >> problem to the next boundary.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> This patch decreases the offset by the boundary overflow amount, with
> >>> >> slight risk of reduced entropy as the kernel is more likely to be found
> >>> >> at kimg_sz below a swapper table boundary.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Trying-to-fix: afd0e5a87670 ("arm64: kaslr: Fix up the kernel image alignment")
> >>> >> Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
> >>> >> Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
> >>> >> Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
> >>> >> Cc: Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraju@codeaurora.org>
> >>> >> Signed-off-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> >>> >> ---
> >>> >>
> >>> >> While preparing this email, I noticed that the kernel eventually failed
> >>> >> to boot, though after a lot more reboot iterations. Mark Rutland also
> >>> >> managed to make the KASLR kernel fail to boot with 64K pages which
> >>> >> wouldn't be explained by this patch.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> So, any suggestions are welcome. My testing method, qemu starting a
> >>> >> guest in a loop with virtio-rng-pci.
> >>> >
> >>> > Apparently, the booting gets much more stable if I disable the physical
> >>> > relocation in arm64-stub.c (but keep the virtual one with the fix in
> >>> > this patch). So I guess we are chasing two different issues.
> >>>
> >>> So this is using QEMU with 16k pages support?
> >>
> >> Qemu running on a ThunderX, so native KVM support.
> >
> > Ah ok. I did not realize QEMU supports 16 KB pages in that case. Nice!
> >
> > However, that makes it rather difficult to reproduce on my side.
As I said, we triggered it with 64K pages. Mark R is following up
shortly.
> Are you booting with an initrd?
No, just:
qemu-system-aarch64 \
-s \
-machine virt,accel=kvm,gic_version=3 \
-smp 1 -m 8192 \
-cpu $CPU \
-kernel $IMAGE \
-semihosting \
-nographic -serial mon:stdio \
-monitor tcp:0.0.0.0:4000,server,nowait \
-netdev user,id=net0 -device virtio-net-device,netdev=net0 \
-bios /usr/share/qemu-efi/QEMU_EFI.fd \
-device virtio-rng-pci \
-append "$CONSOLE $ROOT init=/sbin/poweroff -f"
--
Catalin
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* [PATCH] arm64: kaslr: Adjust the offset to avoid Image across alignment boundary
2017-08-18 15:24 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-08-18 15:29 ` Ard Biesheuvel
@ 2017-08-18 15:35 ` Mark Rutland
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Mark Rutland @ 2017-08-18 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-arm-kernel
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 04:24:46PM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On 18 August 2017 at 16:22, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 04:20:16PM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> >> On 18 August 2017 at 16:19, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 04:04:34PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> >> >> With 16KB pages and a kernel Image larger than 16MB, the current
> >> >> kaslr_early_init() logic for avoiding mappings across swapper table
> >> >> boundaries fails since increasing the offset by kimg_sz just moves the
> >> >> problem to the next boundary.
> >> >>
> >> >> This patch decreases the offset by the boundary overflow amount, with
> >> >> slight risk of reduced entropy as the kernel is more likely to be found
> >> >> at kimg_sz below a swapper table boundary.
> >> >>
> >> >> Trying-to-fix: afd0e5a87670 ("arm64: kaslr: Fix up the kernel image alignment")
> >> >> Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
> >> >> Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
> >> >> Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
> >> >> Cc: Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraju@codeaurora.org>
> >> >> Signed-off-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> >> >> ---
> >> >>
> >> >> While preparing this email, I noticed that the kernel eventually failed
> >> >> to boot, though after a lot more reboot iterations. Mark Rutland also
> >> >> managed to make the KASLR kernel fail to boot with 64K pages which
> >> >> wouldn't be explained by this patch.
> >> >>
> >> >> So, any suggestions are welcome. My testing method, qemu starting a
> >> >> guest in a loop with virtio-rng-pci.
> >> >
> >> > Apparently, the booting gets much more stable if I disable the physical
> >> > relocation in arm64-stub.c (but keep the virtual one with the fix in
> >> > this patch). So I guess we are chasing two different issues.
> >>
> >> So this is using QEMU with 16k pages support?
> >
> > Qemu running on a ThunderX, so native KVM support.
> >
>
> Ah ok. I did not realize QEMU supports 16 KB pages in that case. Nice!
>
> However, that makes it rather difficult to reproduce on my side.
FWIW, I was testing with 64K pages, under QEMU+KVM on a SoftIrorn
OverDrive 1000 (i.e. a 4-core A57 system).
I'd hacked early_kaslr_init() so that I could override the seed on the
command line. I accidentally blatted that hack, but hopefully the below
is equivalent.
I had a script that iterated the seed in 2M increments, launch a VM for
each seed. The fileststem was configured to power down immediately once
it reached userspace.
I found that it hung with seed value: 0x0000000016c00000, which would
generate an offset of 0x17e00000. I tried nearby seeds, which worked:
seed offset
0x0000000016a00000 0x16a00000 worked
0x0000000016c00000 0x17e00000 failed
0x0000000016e00000 0x18000000 worked
... but I assume that failing values are dependent on the kernel Image
layout.
Thanks,
Mark.
---->8----
t a/arch/arm64/kernel/kaslr.c b/arch/arm64/kernel/kaslr.c
index a9710ef..df50442 100644
--- a/arch/arm64/kernel/kaslr.c
+++ b/arch/arm64/kernel/kaslr.c
@@ -102,8 +102,8 @@ u64 __init kaslr_early_init(u64 dt_phys, u64 modulo_offset)
* Retrieve (and wipe) the seed from the FDT
*/
seed = get_kaslr_seed(fdt);
- if (!seed)
- return 0;
+ //if (!seed)
+ // return 0;
/*
* Check if 'nokaslr' appears on the command line, and
@@ -114,6 +114,12 @@ u64 __init kaslr_early_init(u64 dt_phys, u64 modulo_offset)
if (str == cmdline || (str > cmdline && *(str - 1) == ' '))
return 0;
+ str = strstr(cmdline, "kaslr_seed=")
+ if (str) {
+ str += strlen("kaslr_seed=");
+ seed = simple_strtoull(str, NULL, 16);
+ }
+
/*
* OK, so we are proceeding with KASLR enabled. Calculate a suitable
* kernel image offset from the seed. Let's place the kernel in the
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