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From: catalin.marinas@arm.com (Catalin Marinas)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: framebuffer corruption due to overlapping stp instructions on arm64
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 13:16:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180808121641.GB24736@iMac.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHCPf3s-+Qf=WBZz1KpisDMG3520jCUh8PLAO3PHa4jdt8kCTw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Matt,

On Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 03:44:44PM -0500, Matt Sealey wrote:
> On 3 August 2018 at 13:25, Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Aug 2018, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> >> Are we still talking about overlapping unaligned accesses here? Or do
> >> you see other failures as well?
> >
> > Yes - it is caused by overlapping unaligned accesses inside memcpy.
> > When I put "dmb sy" between the overlapping accesses in
> > glibc/sysdeps/aarch64/memcpy.S, this program doesn't detect any
> > memory corruption.
> 
> It is a symptom of generating reorderable accesses inside memcpy. It's nothing
> to do with alignment, per se (see below). A dmb sy just hides the symptoms.
> 
> What we're talking about here - yes, Ard, within certain amounts of
> reason - is that you cannot use PCI BAR memory as 'Normal' - certainly
> never cacheable memory, but Normal NC isn't good either. That is that
> your CPU cannot post writes or reads towards PCI memory spaces unless
> it is dealing with it as Device memory or very strictly controlled use
> of Normal Non-Cacheable.

I disagree that it's not possible to use Normal NC on prefetchable BARs.
This particular case looks more like a hardware issue to me as other
platforms don't exhibit the same behaviour.

Note that allowing Normal NC mapping of prefetchable BARs together with
unaliagned accesses is also a requirement for SBSA-compliant platforms
([1]; though I don't find the text in D.2 very clear).

> >> > I tried to run it on system RAM mapped with the NC attribute and I didn't
> >> > get any corruption - that suggests the the bug may be in the PCIE
> >> > subsystem.
> 
> Pure fluke.

Do you mean you don't expect Mikulas' test to run fine on system RAM
with Normal NC mapping? We would have bigger issues if this was the
case.

> I'll give a simple explanation. The Arm Architecture defines
> single-copy and multi-copy atomic transactions. You can treat
> 'single-copy' to mean that that transaction cannot be made partial, or
> reordered within itself, i.e. it must modify memory (if it is a store)
> in a single swift effort and any future reads from that memory must
> return the FULL result of that write.
> 
> Multi-copy means it can be resized and reordered a bit. Will Deacon is
> going to crucify me for simplifying it, but.. let's proceed with a
> poor example:

Not sure about Will but I think you got them wrong ;). The single/multi
copy atomicity is considered in respect to (multiple) observers, a.k.a.
masters, and nothing to do with reordering a bit (see B2.2 in the ARMv8
ARM).

> STR X0,[X1] on a 32-bit bus cannot ever be single-copy atomic, because
> you cannot write 64-bits of data on a 32-bit bus in a single,
> unbreakable transaction. This is because from one bus cycle to the
> next, one half of the transaction will be in a different place. Your
> interconnect will have latched and buffered 32-bits and the CPU is
> holding the other.

It depends on the implementation, interconnect, buses. Since single-copy
atomicity refers to master accesses, the above transaction could be a
burst of two 32-bit writes and treated atomically by the interconnect
(i.e. not interruptible).

> STP X0, X1, [X2] on a 64-bit bus can be single-copy atomic with
> respect to the element size. But it is on the whole multi-copy atomic
> - that is to say that it can provide a single transaction with
> multiple elements which are transmitted, and those elements could be
> messed with on the way down the pipe.

This has nothing to do with multi-copy atomicity which actually refers
to multiple observers seeing the same write. The ARM architecture is not
exactly multi-copy atomic anyway (rather "other-multi-copy atomic").

Architecturally, STP is treated as two single-copy accesses (as you
mentioned already).

Anyway, the single/multiple copy atomicity is irrelevant for the C test
from Mikulas where you have the same observer (the CPU) writing and
reading the memory. I wonder whether writing a byte and reading a long
back would show similar corruption.

> And the granularity of the hazarding in your system, from the CPU
> store buffer to the bus interface to the interconnect buffering to the
> PCIe bridge to the PCIe EP is.. what? Not the same all the way down,
> I'll bet you.

I think hazarding is what goes wrong here, especially since with
overlapping unaligned addresses. However, I disagree that it is
impossible to implement this properly on a platform with PCIe so that
Normal NC mappings can be used.

Thanks.

[1] https://developer.arm.com/docs/den0029/latest/server-base-system-architecture

-- 
Catalin

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-08-08 12:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-02 19:31 framebuffer corruption due to overlapping stp instructions on arm64 Mikulas Patocka
     [not found] ` <CAHCPf3tFGqkYEcWNN4LaWThw_rVqT316pzLv6T7RfxwO-eZ0EA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-08-03  6:35   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-03  7:16     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-03  9:41       ` Will Deacon
2018-08-03 17:09         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-03 17:32           ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-03 17:33           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-03 18:25             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-03 20:44               ` Matt Sealey
2018-08-03 21:20                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-06 10:25                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-06 12:42                     ` Robin Murphy
2018-08-06 12:53                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-06 13:41                       ` Marcin Wojtas
2018-08-06 13:48                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-06 14:07                           ` Marcin Wojtas
2018-08-06 14:13                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-06 15:47                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-06 17:09                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-06 17:21                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-06 19:54                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-06 20:11                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-06 20:31                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-07 16:40                                 ` Marcin Wojtas
2018-08-07 17:39                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-07 18:07                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-07 18:17                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
     [not found]                                     ` <CAPv3WKcKoEe=Qysp6Oac2C=G9bUhUQf1twSRCY+_qJ6XEC-iag@mail.gmail.com>
2018-08-08 14:10                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-06 17:13                         ` Catalin Marinas
2018-08-06 17:19                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-08 18:31                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-04 13:29                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-08 12:16                 ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2018-08-08 13:02                   ` David Laight
2018-08-08 13:46                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-08 14:26                       ` David Laight
2018-08-08 14:50                         ` Catalin Marinas
2018-08-08 16:21                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-08 16:31                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-08-08 16:43                               ` David Laight
2018-08-08 18:56                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-08 18:37                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-08 11:39           ` Catalin Marinas
2018-08-08 14:12             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-08 14:28               ` Catalin Marinas
2018-08-08 18:40                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-08 15:01               ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2018-08-08 15:14                 ` Catalin Marinas
2018-08-08 16:01                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-08-08 18:25                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-08 21:51                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-08-09 15:29                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-08-03  7:11 ` Andrew Pinski
2018-08-03  7:53   ` Florian Weimer
2018-08-03  9:12     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2018-08-03  9:15     ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-08-03  9:29       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-03  9:37         ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-08-03  9:42         ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2018-08-04  0:58           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-04  1:13             ` Andrew Pinski
2018-08-04 11:04               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-05 18:33                 ` Florian Weimer
2018-08-06  8:02                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-06  8:10                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-06 10:31                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-06 10:37                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-06 10:42                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-06 10:48                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-06 12:09                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-06 12:19                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-06 12:22                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-07 14:14                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-07 14:40                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-08 19:15                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-06 11:19                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-08-06 11:29                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-06 14:26                   ` Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho
2018-08-05 21:51                 ` Pavel Machek
2018-08-06 14:30                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-03 11:24         ` David Laight
2018-08-03 12:04           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-03 13:04             ` David Laight
2018-08-05 14:36               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-06 10:18                 ` David Laight
2018-08-07 14:07                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-07 14:33                     ` David Laight
2018-08-08 14:21                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-03 13:20     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-03 13:31   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-03 14:17     ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2018-08-05 21:36   ` Pavel Machek
2018-08-06  8:04     ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-08-06  8:44       ` Pavel Machek
2018-08-06  9:11         ` Ard Biesheuvel

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