Re: [RESEND RFC PATCH v2] arm64: Exposes support for 32-bit syscalls

From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RESEND RFC PATCH v2] arm64: Exposes support for 32-bit syscalls
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:28:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210212132807.GC7718@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210212123515.GC6057@sirena.org.uk>

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 12:35:15PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 11:30:41AM +0000, Steven Price wrote:
> > On 11/02/2021 20:21, sonicadvance1@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Why do we need compatibility layers?
> > > There are ARMv8 CPUs that only support AArch64 but still need to run
> > > AArch32 applications.
> > > Cortex-A34/R82 and other cores are prime examples of this.
> > > Additionally if a user is needing to run legacy 32-bit x86 software, it
> > > needs the same compatibility layer.
> 
> > Unless I'm much mistaken QEMU's user mode already does this - admittedly I
> > don't tend to run "legacy 32-bit x86 software".
> 
> Yes, this has been deployed on Debian for a long time - you can install
> any combination of Debian architectures on a single system and it will
> use qemu to run binaries that can't be supported natively by the
> hardware.

The only downside I think is that for some syscalls it's not that
efficient. Those using struct iovec come to mind, qemu probably
duplicates the user structures, having to copy them in both directions
(well, the kernel compat layer does something similar).

Anyway, I'm not in favour of this patch. Those binary translation tools
need to explore the user-only options first and come up with some perf
numbers to justify the proposal.

-- 
Catalin

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