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Received: from shell.armlinux.org.uk ([fd8f:7570:feb6:1:5054:ff:fe00:4ec]:45066) by pandora.armlinux.org.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ltVV0-0007Fu-BB; Wed, 16 Jun 2021 14:22:30 +0100 Received: from linux by shell.armlinux.org.uk with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ltVUx-00063k-2M; Wed, 16 Jun 2021 14:22:27 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 14:22:27 +0100 From: "Russell King (Oracle)" To: Peter Zijlstra Cc: Andy Lutomirski , x86@kernel.org, Dave Hansen , LKML , linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton , Mathieu Desnoyers , Nicholas Piggin , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, Will Deacon Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/8] membarrier: Remove arm (32) support for SYNC_CORE Message-ID: <20210616132226.GD22278@shell.armlinux.org.uk> References: <2142129092ff9aa00e600c42a26c4015b7f5ceec.1623813516.git.luto@kernel.org> <20210616103446.GC22278@shell.armlinux.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20210616_062240_289123_5538CC67 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 31.24 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 01:10:58PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 11:34:46AM +0100, Russell King (Oracle) wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 12:20:06PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 12:16:27PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 08:21:12PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > > > > > On arm32, the only way to safely flush icache from usermode is to call > > > > > cacheflush(2). This also handles any required pipeline flushes, so > > > > > membarrier's SYNC_CORE feature is useless on arm. Remove it. > > > > > > > > So SYNC_CORE is there to help an architecture that needs to do something > > > > per CPU. If I$ invalidation is broadcast and I$ invalidation also > > > > triggers the flush of any uarch caches derived from it (if there are > > > > any). > > > > > > Incomplete sentence there: + then we don't need SYNC_CORE. > > > > > > > Now arm_syscall() NR(cacheflush) seems to do flush_icache_user_range(), > > > > which, if I read things right, end up in arch/arm/mm/*.S, but that > > > > doesn't consider cache_ops_need_broadcast(). > > > > > > > > Will suggests that perhaps ARM 11MPCore might need this due to their I$ > > > > flush maybe not being broadcast > > > > If it leaves other cores with incoherent I cache, then that's already > > a problem for SMP cores, since there could be no guarantee that the > > modifications made by one core will be visible to some other core that > > ends up running that code - and there is little option for userspace to > > work around that except by pinning the thread making the modifications > > and subsequently executing the code to a core. > > That's where SYNC_CORE can help. Or you make sys_cacheflush() do a > system wide IPI. If it's a problem, then it needs fixing. sys_cacheflush() is used to implement GCC's __builtin___clear_cache(). I'm not sure who added this to gcc. > > The same is also true of flush_icache_range() - which is used when > > loading a kernel module. In the case Will is referring to, these alias > > to the same code. > > Yes, cache_ops_need_broadcast() seems to be missing in more places. Likely only in places where we care about I/D coherency - as the data cache is required to be PIPT on these SMP platforms. -- RMK's Patch system: https://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/ FTTP is here! 40Mbps down 10Mbps up. Decent connectivity at last! _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel