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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>
Cc: acpica-devel@lists.linux.dev, Hanjun Guo <guohanjun@huawei.com>,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Robert Moore <robert.moore@intel.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
	Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	Moritz Fischer <mdf@kernel.org>,
	Michael Shavit <mshavit@google.com>,
	Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
	patches@lists.linux.dev,
	Shameerali Kolothum Thodi <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 6/8] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Support IOMMU_GET_HW_INFO via struct arm_smmu_hw_info
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 20:40:19 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240903234019.GI3773488@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZtbKCb9FTt5gjERf@google.com>

On Tue, Sep 03, 2024 at 08:34:17AM +0000, Mostafa Saleh wrote:

> > > For example, KVM doesn’t allow reading reading the CPU system
> > > registers to know if SVE(or other features) is supported but hides
> > > that by a CAP in KVM_CHECK_EXTENSION
> > 
> > Do you know why?
> 
> I am not really sure, but I believe it’s a useful abstraction

It seems odd to me, unpriv userspace can look in /proc/cpuinfo and see
SEV, why would kvm hide the same information behind a
CAP_SYS_ADMIN/whatever check?

> I don’t have a very strong opinion to sanitise the IDRs (specifically
> many of those are documented anyway per IP), but at least we should have
> some clear requirement for what userspace needs, I am just concerned
> that userspace can misuse some of the features leading to a strange UAPI.

We should probably have a file in Documentation/ that does more
explaining of this.

The design has the kernel be very general, the kernel's scope is
bigger than just providing a vSMMU. It is the VMM's job to take the
kernel tools and build the vSMMU para virtualization.

It is like this because the configuration if the vSMMU is ultimately a
policy choice that should be configured by the operator. When we
consider live migration the vSMMU needs to be fully standardized and
consistent regardless of what the pSMMU is. We don't want policy in
the kernel.

Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-03 23:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-27 15:51 [PATCH v2 0/8] Initial support for SMMUv3 nested translation Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-27 15:51 ` [PATCH v2 1/8] vfio: Remove VFIO_TYPE1_NESTING_IOMMU Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-30  7:40   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-27 15:51 ` [PATCH v2 2/8] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Use S2FWB when available Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-27 19:48   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-08-28 18:30     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-28 19:47       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-08-28 19:50   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-08-30  7:44   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-30  7:56     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-08-30  8:01       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-30 15:12   ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-08-30 16:40     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-02  9:29       ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-09-03  0:05         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-03  7:57           ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-09-03 23:33             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-10 10:55               ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-09-10 20:22                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-17  9:48                   ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-09-04 14:20   ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-09-04 15:00     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-10 11:25       ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-09-11 22:52         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-27 15:51 ` [PATCH v2 3/8] ACPICA: IORT: Update for revision E.f Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-29 10:14   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-08-27 15:51 ` [PATCH v2 4/8] ACPI/IORT: Support CANWBS memory access flag Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-30  7:52   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-30 13:54     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-03  7:14       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-27 15:51 ` [PATCH v2 5/8] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Report IOMMU_CAP_ENFORCE_CACHE_COHERENCY for CANWBS Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-27 20:12   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-08-28 19:12     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-30 15:19   ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-08-30 17:10     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-27 15:51 ` [PATCH v2 6/8] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Support IOMMU_GET_HW_INFO via struct arm_smmu_hw_info Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-30  7:55   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-30 15:23   ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-08-30 17:16     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-02 10:11       ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-09-03  0:16         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-03  8:34           ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-09-03 23:40             ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2024-09-04  7:11               ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-09-04 12:01                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-06 11:19                   ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-08-27 15:51 ` [PATCH v2 7/8] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Implement IOMMU_HWPT_ALLOC_NEST_PARENT Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-27 20:16   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-08-30  7:58   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-30 13:55     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-30 15:27   ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-08-30 17:18     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-02  8:57       ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-08-27 15:51 ` [PATCH v2 8/8] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Support IOMMU_DOMAIN_NESTED Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-27 21:23   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-08-28 19:01     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-28 19:27       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-08-30  8:16   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-30 14:13     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-30 14:39     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-30 16:09   ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-08-30 16:59     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-08-30 17:04     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-02  9:57       ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-09-03  0:30         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-03  1:13           ` Nicolin Chen
2024-09-03  9:00           ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-09-03 23:55             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-06 11:07               ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-09-06 13:34                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-10 11:12                   ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-09-15 21:39                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-06 18:28       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-06 18:49         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-09-06 23:15           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-27 21:31 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] Initial support for SMMUv3 nested translation Nicolin Chen
2024-08-28 16:31   ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-08-28 17:14     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-08-28 18:06       ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-08-28 18:12         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-08-29 13:14           ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-08-29 14:52             ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-08-29 16:10               ` Nicolin Chen
2024-08-30  9:07                 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-08-30 17:01                   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-09-12  3:42   ` Zhangfei Gao
2024-09-12  4:05     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-09-12  4:25     ` Baolu Lu
2024-09-12  7:32       ` Zhangfei Gao
2024-10-15  3:21       ` Zhangfei Gao
2024-10-15 13:09         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-10-17  1:53           ` Zhangfei Gao
2024-10-17 11:57             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-10-16  2:23 ` Zhangfei Gao
2024-10-16 11:53   ` Jason Gunthorpe

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