From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85811CAC587 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2025 00:08:35 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.infradead.org; s=bombadil.20210309; h=Sender:List-Subscribe:List-Help :List-Post:List-Archive:List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Owner; bh=q31x8cjhxqbSewAbnzNrJKEcVholxMrPXsRc0ZoLdcs=; b=h+DXx0JNZWDJ2c8LcPG+0eh/Nl zi+opY5U1+4ZlqaAlYBv5yCUJbqjohFTxAEmZxEZrKjwhZL2YTIvrP8EuN65D7mbRSI6sjnvY6xVc U666Z+uZW0i5dUWodSQ4CMvPDdMOJWkFDH83eMUrKerSx62vGnPKdX94a4gC2ADyF0cKQY1kKlzQf qeKwFUmmsaQcpqCnEO6zg2zw6lOhun+AGcnoeMBiXhzrPfXwOzrVcFCvDDA91rMZBRY8ktYROrJPd qfQDtTeoEmvhLYFuIPDFJUpeNQ+BRrGAAAFyG/tlfcUAAd/FKscDg/QTKdsGjtquII7StFavRKlp9 4cCiW+Jw==; Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=bombadil.infradead.org) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.98.2 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1uxwlh-00000002Nny-3Vnk; Mon, 15 Sep 2025 00:08:29 +0000 Received: from sea.source.kernel.org ([2600:3c0a:e001:78e:0:1991:8:25]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtps (Exim 4.98.2 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1uxwle-00000002NnN-491l for linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org; Mon, 15 Sep 2025 00:08:28 +0000 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (transwarp.subspace.kernel.org [100.75.92.58]) by sea.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE7F43E61; Mon, 15 Sep 2025 00:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B7AA0C4CEF0; Mon, 15 Sep 2025 00:08:24 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1757894904; bh=6W35ED/5B6DMe6+JEfViwGJLMbiEsNhy58ZClSAv1W0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=jG7Up0puetanBV5R16T9Mr5YOcJLCgaxlDxjZBjU+M0rn926h86BboU2D7lC0/4S6 5LCgjt++UOgh1/WThZ8Q4LAQU4yjViY8zK1f9Fgm2jxbL2Rj59LNHwbjwqLssHC39/ dLxezNIv5NX6PfJDyd6Xj+baN3I3Tpx7VG3FXUgXlOLG1MiVwonH5wl1FE/rrzvVLL E8bmf3j4k1b4jsIYIXvyUPwxF3I8hSmfOIOR2tb0C5srcGVfHI2ta2YBQVumVp9Z0r AdHPjLMT17JeVft4fvJGJzfK3fT0EQMaI/rMvoi9mnuJFUxTWlwnZWR9MrdLZXnhKi BTg7oKM3lhJgQ== Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2025 19:08:23 -0500 From: Rob Herring To: Marco Felsch Cc: Vladimir Oltean , Mark Brown , Jonas Rebmann , Andrew Lunn , imx@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Eric Dumazet , Fabio Estevam , Jakub Kicinski , Paolo Abeni , devicetree@vger.kernel.org, Conor Dooley , Sascha Hauer , linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, Shengjiu Wang , Liam Girdwood , Pengutronix Kernel Team , Krzysztof Kozlowski , Vladimir Oltean , Shawn Guo , "David S. Miller" Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] dt-bindings: net: dsa: nxp,sja1105: Add reset-gpios property Message-ID: <20250915000823.GA2282513-robh@kernel.org> References: <20250910-imx8mp-prt8ml-v1-0-fd04aed15670@pengutronix.de> <20250910-imx8mp-prt8ml-v1-1-fd04aed15670@pengutronix.de> <20250910125611.wmyw2b4jjtxlhsqw@skbuf> <20250910143044.jfq5fsv2rlsrr5ku@pengutronix.de> <20250910144328.do6t5ilfeclm2xa4@skbuf> <693c3d1e-a65b-47ea-9b21-ce1d4a772066@sirena.org.uk> <20250910153454.ibh6w7ntxraqvftb@skbuf> <20250910155359.tqole7726sapvgzr@pengutronix.de> <20250910164231.cnrexx4ds3cdg6lu@skbuf> <20250910165518.bzpz5to5dtwe2z6x@pengutronix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20250910165518.bzpz5to5dtwe2z6x@pengutronix.de> X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20250914_170827_070463_441DE04E X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 25.31 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 06:55:18PM +0200, Marco Felsch wrote: > On 25-09-10, Vladimir Oltean wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 05:53:59PM +0200, Marco Felsch wrote: > > > IMHO silently removing the support will break designs for sure and > > > should never be done. As said, imagine that the firmware will handle the > > > supplies and the driver only needs to release the reset. If you silently > > > remove the support, the device will be kept in reset-state. In field > > > firmware updates are seldom, so you break your device by updating to a > > > new kernel. > > > > > > One could argue that the driver supported it but there was no dt-binding > > > yet, so it was a hidden/unstable feature but I don't know the policy. > > > > Ok, I didn't think about, or meet, the case where Linux is required by > > previous boot stages to deassert the reset. It is the first time you are > > explicitly saying this, though. > > > > So we can keep and document the 'reset-gpios' support, but we need to > > explicitly point out that if present, it does not supplant the need to > > ensure the proper POR sequence as per AH1704. > > We could do that but I think that no one should assume that the driver > ensures this due to the missing power-supply and clock support. But this > goes to the DT maintainers. IMHO we shouldn't mention any document > within the binding, maybe within the commit message, since those > documents may get removed. We probably have lots of dead links... So what's one more possible one. If the information is useful, then I'd put the link there. Rob