From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3080EF8D776 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2026 20:16:25 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.infradead.org; s=bombadil.20210309; h=Sender:List-Subscribe:List-Help :List-Post:List-Archive:List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To: From:Date:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Owner; bh=niMl/eAsWm6lGZ7DPH8AzrV4LU2Ix/5pbN/C+R78wf8=; b=Rz6EJ6PQjxSQQ/pJtNqX5iP2jV 8dD/xYrDGkggqKCuzZDSZK1nBCIY9TfR+V7d4qLaj8/bWtG1rbRKdc+Ox2jk5up3Vp5LDQZSE4T5o bfrkhVOEqNhReXkTRPmYDDbgl4sR4iU/4xRDTzkQiH4+uzHbrhr9ceQMB7+MAsgJRcoqvh9aTZ5Ah rwxKCZLyyI2dmKGuxOw4WihSe+wUaGEj+MgH7zCt1i+z7j89BjHJ8f9P2STTgxLQtPyVuHuYeDiGX cmu2OWRvBwF3fuZdnmS4LyheBEdA7V1czXa5Uq/pottG1tu6J36YA5Yj0P6XJzwxCIMFzIsRJ4Pi+ HHWt6VTQ==; Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=bombadil.infradead.org) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.98.2 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1wDT8M-00000002xYi-2KQC; Thu, 16 Apr 2026 20:16:18 +0000 Received: from tor.source.kernel.org ([172.105.4.254]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtps (Exim 4.98.2 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1wDT8L-00000002xYU-1obV for linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2026 20:16:17 +0000 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (transwarp.subspace.kernel.org [100.75.92.58]) by tor.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A4860127; Thu, 16 Apr 2026 20:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D2FA1C2BCAF; Thu, 16 Apr 2026 20:16:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1776370576; bh=R/+DzOdGIK0mO9G5ivghTZXgfvc47/DKlFbEl1raOVI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=pK43roZiQcqiQnjSJT7dagBUZfApCSNmUvHNa9llT8HcqXlgYEzYyd27qrRJrPD7X GXXLXxW+1p7EiiEFBTUCM1p/1lcQrFPDjrJJ35VNM7jh6Y/fk1dgcmGPYMMMAu/FLA szCyku3OH1MpQZrV7jsY1vacIUOavd1rD71L8pqSOCnztWZI5BSfn+4xdkXBsEonrk 1p038auIwS7gTKSHpjKTfERlvzpuB5+vyATcjVIJXo81z8ygfL5+eRsi7L38eYixwz Ue03sIH+igCURCBehG83I9Qrp3CHojxZexJ2XgXeVZH838Vm7r4BVgtM00nEVXJBG9 4CDX3fZdXcGtQ== Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2026 13:16:10 -0700 From: Jakub Kicinski To: "Russell King (Oracle)" Cc: Alexander Stein , Andrew Lunn , Heiner Kallweit , Alexandre Torgue , Andrew Lunn , "David S. Miller" , Eric Dumazet , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-stm32@st-md-mailman.stormreply.com, Maxime Coquelin , netdev@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Abeni Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 5/6] net: stmmac: move PHY handling out of __stmmac_open()/release() Message-ID: <20260416131610.1bf3bce2@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: References: <5987484.DvuYhMxLoT@steina-w> <2410317.ElGaqSPkdT@steina-w> <20260416090826.1c5ca018@kernel.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On Thu, 16 Apr 2026 20:46:34 +0100 Russell King (Oracle) wrote: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2026 at 09:08:26AM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Apr 2026 14:47:57 +0100 Russell King (Oracle) wrote: > > > The next problem will be netdev's policy over reviews vs patches > > > balance which I'm already in deficit, and I have *NO* *TIME* > > > what so ever to review patches - let alone propose patches to > > > fix people's problems. > > > > > > So I'm going to say this plainly: if netdev wants to enforce that > > > rule, then I won't be fixing people's problems. > > > > Do you have a better proposal? > > I'm under the same pressure of million stupid projects from my employer > > as you are. Do y'all think that upstream maintainers have time given by > > their employers to do the reviews? SMH. > > Are you really under the same pressure? I have one of my parents in > hospital right now, and was in A&E yesterday afternoon through into > the evening. I've been down at the hospital since 2pm today, only > just come back to feed the other parent and head back down for what > could be a long night. Then there's supposed to be an appointment > that will take up to 3 hours tomorrow morning... > > Yea, I'm sure you have the same pressures and worry from your > employer - except my pressures are medical, looking after my parents. > > Thank you for your lack of understanding. Not my point. Sorry to hear about the issues you're facing. I don't think making vague complaints about the development process is going to make anything better.