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Oktober 2026, 16:10:39 Mitteleurop=C3=A4ische Sommerzeit s= chrieb Rob Herring: > On Tue, Oct 20, 2026 at 03:37:35PM +0200, Heiko St=C3=BCbner wrote: > > Am Dienstag, 20. Oktober 2026, 00:20:47 Mitteleurop=C3=A4ische Sommerze= it schrieb Michael Riesch: > > > Hi all, > > >=20 > > > On 10/19/26 17:06, Rob Herring wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 04:15:03PM +0800, =E6=A5=8A=E6=99=BA=E6=88= =90 wrote: > > > >> Hi Krzysztof, Rob, > > > >> > > > >>> Existing OS should ignore surplus cell if the driver is coded pro= perly. > > > >>> Same as adding new properties or new front-compatible. The quest= ion is > > > >>> how the existing driver behaves? > > > >> > > > >> As you pointed out on 5/8, the xlate checks args_count !=3D 1. The= DC-PHY > > > >> driver was merged in v6.15, so every kernel since 6.15 fails on a = second cell. > > > >> > > > >> 1. Keep the second cell. Add the patch as follows: > > > >> > > > >> - if (args->args_count !=3D 1) { > > > >> + if (args->args_count < 1) { > > > >> dev_err(dev, "invalid number of arguments\n"); > > > >> return ERR_PTR(-EINVAL); > > > >> } > > > >> > > > >> + if (args->args_count > 1 && args->args[1]) { > > > >> + dev_err(dev, "only the transmitter is supported\n"); > > > >> + return ERR_PTR(-EINVAL); > > > >> + } > > > >> > > > >> With Fixes: and Cc: stable, the stable kernels maintained at that > > > >> time (currently 6.18.y and 7.2.y) keep DSI working with the new > > > >> dts, and the receiver fails cleanly instead of getting the trans= mitter. > > > >> But EOL kernels (6.15, 6.16, 6.17, 6.19, 7.0, 7.1) stay affected. > > > >> It goes in with the series, since two-cell dts only exist after = it. > > > >> > > > >> 2. Use a flag in the upper bits of the existing cell, as Rob > > > >> suggested. Existing kernels are not affected, unless a board e= nables > > > >> the DC-PHY CSI-2 receiver on 7.0 or later without this series. > > > >> > > > >> I will write the impact clearly whichever approach is selected in > > > >> the related commit messages and the cover letter. > > > >> > > > >> I think the cell approach is easier to read and more symmetric in = the > > > >> long term, > > > >> but it breaks more. Which one do you think is better? Thanks. > > > >=20 > > > > I'm not a user of this platform, so I don't care. Up to the platfor= m=20 > > > > maintainers to decide if breakage is acceptible. You just need to=20 > > > > document the issue in the commit message. > > > >=20 > > > > Rob > > >=20 > > > It's a bit of a pickle, all this. > > >=20 > > > I gave it some more thought. In the end this is an IP block with two > > > PHYs. No more, no less. One cell is sufficient to address those, and = it > > > could be 0 for the transmitting PHY (DSI, display) and 1 for the > > > receiving PHY (CSI, camera). > > >=20 > > > Of course the two PHYs can operate in either DPHY or CPHY mode. The > > > phy-cells have been (mis?)used to select the proper mode of combo PHY= s, > > > and this principle has been applied here too. > > >=20 > > > However, we have the special situation here that the mode can only be > > > changed for the complete IP block (and thus for both PHYs at the same > > > time). As Bryan points out, we need to check and complain if the PHY > > > mode is not set to the same value for both PHYs. > > >=20 > > > I suggest using a property > > > samsung,cphy-mode; > >=20 > > I guess, a maybe nicer way would be mimicing > > Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/intel,combo-phy.yaml > >=20 > > with its > > intel,phy-mode =3D > >=20 > > with x coming from include/dt-bindings/phy/phy.h > > for the distinction between cphy and dphy, so we don't introduce yet > > another way to describe this. >=20 > We already have the plain 'phy-type' property which takes the same=20 > PHY_MODE_x values. We don't need yet another vendor specific property. even better then ... and I didn't look deep enough it seems. > > > (name to be bikeshedded) that sets the complete IP block into CPHY mo= de > > > (DPHY being the default) to distinguish between the modes. Since both > > > modes use a different electrical interface, this is clearly a hardware > > > thing and thus suitable for device tree. > > >=20 > > > Then, we can address the two PHYs with the help of the already existi= ng > > > phy cell (without any bitflag tweaks to the value). > > >=20 > > > The sole drawback is that we need to accept the PHY_TYPE_DPHY and > > > PHY_TYPE_CPHY values that some OS in the field might pass. (For Linux, > > > it should only be the former.) And we need to handle those values > > > correctly. But I think this is not more painful than the other > > > approaches. At the same time, this design seems to be the most correct > >=20 > > The current cell values are 10 + 11, so as long as we don't re-use those > > exact values for the other constants the driver should somewhat easily > > be able to recognize an old DT? >=20 > I think you will still have an ABI issue of what does old OS do with new= =20 > values? wasn't the main contract, a newer kernel should support old DTs ? Aka the DT is parked in some firmware part (u-boot?) and gets handed to the newer kernel. I don't see deliberately handing a newer DTB to an older kernel as a very common occurence? And from a practical standpoint: We're talking about devices with DSI displays that are at stake here, so we're in the embedded world. In other areas we're still fighting basic functionality like actually handling the type-c orientation correctly in the usbphy. So I really don't see a device with a user-updateable mainline kernel out in the field, apart from people hacking around on their devices to try out new features and new kernels, simply because core functionality is still evolving in mainline. RK3576/RK3588 devices still ship with a vendor u-boot/kernel, with completely incompatible DTB afterall. So yes, supporting old devicetrees on new kernels I do see as important but someone working extra hard to combine a new DT with an old kernel, I really don't see as an issue here. Heiko