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From: Topi Miettinen <toiwoton@gmail.com>
To: "Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Lennart Poettering" <lennart@poettering.net>,
	"Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek" <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Szabolcs Nagy <szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Jeremy Linton <jeremy.linton@arm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-abi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/4] mm, arm64: In-kernel support for memory-deny-write-execute (MDWE)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 21:39:37 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2a2becf1-fc19-a7da-deb7-1c12781d503d@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220413134946.2732468-1-catalin.marinas@arm.com>

On 13.4.2022 16.49, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The background to this is that systemd has a configuration option called
> MemoryDenyWriteExecute [1], implemented as a SECCOMP BPF filter. Its aim
> is to prevent a user task from inadvertently creating an executable
> mapping that is (or was) writeable. Since such BPF filter is stateless,
> it cannot detect mappings that were previously writeable but
> subsequently changed to read-only. Therefore the filter simply rejects
> any mprotect(PROT_EXEC). The side-effect is that on arm64 with BTI
> support (Branch Target Identification), the dynamic loader cannot change
> an ELF section from PROT_EXEC to PROT_EXEC|PROT_BTI using mprotect().
> For libraries, it can resort to unmapping and re-mapping but for the
> main executable it does not have a file descriptor. The original bug
> report in the Red Hat bugzilla - [2] - and subsequent glibc workaround
> for libraries - [3].
> 
> Add in-kernel support for such feature as a DENY_WRITE_EXEC personality
> flag, inherited on fork() and execve(). The kernel tracks a previously
> writeable mapping via a new VM_WAS_WRITE flag (64-bit only
> architectures). I went for a personality flag by analogy with the
> READ_IMPLIES_EXEC one. However, I'm happy to change it to a prctl() if
> we don't want more personality flags. A minor downside with the
> personality flag is that there is no way for the user to query which
> flags are supported, so in patch 3 I added an AT_FLAGS bit to advertise
> this.

With systemd there's a BPF construct to block personality changes 
(LockPersonality=yes) but I think prctl() would be easier to lock down 
irrevocably.

Requiring or implying NoNewPrivileges could prevent nasty surprises from 
set-uid Python programs which happen to use FFI.

> Posting this as an RFC to start a discussion and cc'ing some of the
> systemd guys and those involved in the earlier thread around the glibc
> workaround for dynamic libraries [4]. Before thinking of upstreaming
> this we'd need the systemd folk to buy into replacing the MDWE SECCOMP
> BPF filter with the in-kernel one.

As the author of this feature in systemd (also similar feature in 
Firejail), I'd highly prefer in-kernel version to BPF protection. I'd 
definitely also want to use this in place of BPF on x86_64 and other 
arches too.

In-kernel version would probably allow covering pretty easily this case 
(maybe it already does):

	fd = memfd_create(...);
	write(fd, malicious_code, sizeof(malicious_code));
	mmap(..., PROT_EXEC, ..., fd);

Other memory W^X implementations include S.A.R.A [1] and SELinux 
EXECMEM/EXECSTACK/EXECHEAP protections [2], [3]. SELinux checks 
IS_PRIVATE(file_inode(file)) and vma->anon_vma != NULL, which might be 
useful additions here too (or future extensions if you prefer).

-Topi

[1] https://smeso.it/sara/
[2] 
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/security/selinux/hooks.c#n3708
[3] 
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/security/selinux/hooks.c#n3787

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-04-13 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-13 13:49 [PATCH RFC 0/4] mm, arm64: In-kernel support for memory-deny-write-execute (MDWE) Catalin Marinas
2022-04-13 13:49 ` [PATCH RFC 1/4] mm: Track previously writeable vma permission Catalin Marinas
2022-04-13 13:49 ` [PATCH RFC 2/4] mm, personality: Implement memory-deny-write-execute as a personality flag Catalin Marinas
2022-04-21 17:37   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-22 10:28     ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-22 11:04       ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-22 13:12         ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-22 17:41           ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-13 13:49 ` [PATCH RFC 3/4] fs/binfmt_elf: Tell user-space about the DENY_WRITE_EXEC " Catalin Marinas
2022-04-13 13:49 ` [PATCH RFC 4/4] arm64: Select ARCH_ENABLE_DENY_WRITE_EXEC Catalin Marinas
2022-04-13 18:39 ` Topi Miettinen [this message]
2022-04-14 13:49   ` [PATCH RFC 0/4] mm, arm64: In-kernel support for memory-deny-write-execute (MDWE) Catalin Marinas
2022-04-14 18:52 ` Kees Cook
2022-04-15 20:01   ` Topi Miettinen
2022-04-20 13:01   ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-20 17:44     ` Kees Cook
2022-04-20 19:34     ` Topi Miettinen
2022-04-20 23:21       ` Kees Cook
2022-04-21 15:35         ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-21 16:42           ` Kees Cook
2022-04-21 17:24             ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-21 17:41               ` Kees Cook
2022-04-21 18:33                 ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-21 16:48           ` Topi Miettinen
2022-04-21 17:28             ` Catalin Marinas

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