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From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 0/7] Introduce automatic DMA configuration for IOMMU masters
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3261702.HRSZJsEv5z@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54059F05.2090901@samsung.com>

On Tuesday 02 September 2014 12:42:13 Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> Hi Arnd,
> 
> On 2014-09-02 10:56, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Tuesday 02 September 2014 10:48:02 Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> >>>    -- I have concerns that allocating one domain per master might be
> >>> too much, but it's hard to tell without an IOMMU driver ported over.
> >> One domain per master is IMHO a sane default configuration. The only default
> >> alternative I see is to have only one domain (related with dma-mapping
> >> subsystem) and bind all devices to it. However I really don't see any
> >> disadvantage of having separate domain per each master and such
> >> configuration
> >> gives devices better separation.
> > I was expecting that the dma-mapping implementation would by default use
> > one domain for all devices, since that is what the simpler IOMMUs without
> > domain support have to do anyway.
> >
> > For isolation purposes, it can only help to have more domains, but
> > I would guess that there is some space overhead in maintaining lots
> > of page tables.
> 
> I'm okay with both approaches (separate domain for each device vs. single
> common domain for all devices). Maybe this can be some kind of Kconfig
> option added to DMA debugging? Separation might be really helpful when
> debugging strange device behavior.

We should probably support the iommu=strict command line option that some
other architectures have. This is mainly meant to ensure that IOTLBs
are shot down as soon as the driver unmaps some memory, which you often
want to avoid for performance reasons.

The iommu driver itself can then decide to also use separate domains
for iommu=strict but a shared domain otherwise.

For hardware on which the shared domain is hard to do, the driver might
always use separate domains.

> >> However we also need to figure out how to let drivers to make their own
> >> configuration, like it is required by Exynos DRM subsystem, which consist
> >> of several devices, each having its own IOMMU controller, but for
> >> convenience those drivers assume that they all have been bound to the same,
> >> single domain.
> > IIRC with the way we ended up putting the mask into the iommu descriptor of
> > the ARM SMMU, you can put multiple devices into the same iommu group, and
> > have them automatically share a domain.
> >
> > I don't know if the same would work for the Samsung implementation.
> 
> The question is how to transfer such information from the device 
> drivers, that
> need/benefit from such configuration to iommu driver, which does all the 
> setup?
> This is something completely internal to particular drivers and should 
> not be
> exported to device tree or userspace. Thierry suggested to hardcode this
> information in the iommu driver, but I'm looking for other approaches.
> Maybe simply releasing device from the default dma-mapping domain before
> attaching to custom one will be the easiest solution.

For the ARM SMMU, the problem is that there is not necessarily a good way
to partition the masters into IOMMU groups automatically, therefore we
want to provide some hints in DT. On a machine that can have more domains
than it has masters, this is not a problem and we can always use an
all-ones mask, but for a machine on which this is not the case, the
problem is simplified a lot of we hardcode the masks in a way that can
always work, putting multiple devices into an iommu group if necessary.

This is similar to how we do things for pinctrl, where you might have
a theoretically endless space of options to set stuff up, but we
can simplify it by defining the useful configurations.

	Arnd

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-09-02 12:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-29 15:54 [RFC PATCH 0/7] Introduce automatic DMA configuration for IOMMU masters Will Deacon
2014-08-29 15:54 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] iommu: provide early initialisation hook for IOMMU drivers Will Deacon
2014-09-01  7:52   ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-01 14:31     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-01 16:36       ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02  6:56     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-02 14:47   ` Varun Sethi
2014-09-02 15:04     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-08-29 15:54 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] dma-mapping: replace set_arch_dma_coherent_ops with arch_setup_dma_ops Will Deacon
2014-09-01 14:27   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-01 16:20     ` Will Deacon
2014-08-29 15:54 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] iommu: add new iommu_ops callback for adding a device with a set of IDs Will Deacon
2014-09-01  8:13   ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-01 14:39     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-01 16:34       ` Will Deacon
2014-09-01 17:18         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-08-29 15:54 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] iommu: provide helper function to configure an IOMMU for an of master Will Deacon
2014-09-01  8:29   ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-01 14:46     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-01 16:40       ` Will Deacon
2014-09-01 20:18         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 10:03           ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02 12:15             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 13:05               ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02 14:01                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 20:59                   ` jroedel at suse.de
2014-09-03  9:45                     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02 15:03               ` Varun Sethi
2014-09-02 15:08                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 10:23       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-02 10:51   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-02 11:03     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02 19:08       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-02 14:55   ` Varun Sethi
2014-08-29 15:54 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] dma-mapping: detect and configure IOMMU in of_dma_configure Will Deacon
2014-09-01 14:53   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-08-29 15:54 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] arm: call iommu_init before of_platform_populate Will Deacon
2014-08-29 15:54 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] arm: dma-mapping: plumb our iommu mapping ops into arch_setup_dma_ops Will Deacon
2014-09-02  6:26 ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] Introduce automatic DMA configuration for IOMMU masters Marek Szyprowski
2014-09-02  8:31   ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02  8:48     ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-09-02  8:56       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 10:42         ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-09-02 10:57           ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02 12:24             ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-09-02 12:43               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 21:50                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-02 12:22           ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2014-09-02 12:30             ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-09-02 12:46               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 13:11                 ` Marek Szyprowski

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