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From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH v3 6/7] arm: call iommu_init before of_platform_populate
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:20:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4378271.6Q6s1JjOus@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2650492.UcyhNye0aG@avalon>

On Tuesday 14 October 2014 16:07:38 Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 September 2014 09:44:25 Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 September 2014 09:02:39 Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > I see two problems with using deferred probing here:
> > > > 
> > > > - we don't actually need to defer the probing but the binding to the
> > > >   driver when no dma ops are set, but it seems silly to even create the
> > > >   device before we can find out which ops it should use.
> > > 
> > > What does device creation have to do with anything? Surely a device
> > > won't need IOMMU services before the device is bound to a driver.
> > 
> > The problem is that the driver will start using the IOMMU as soon
> > as it calls dma_map_*, but that happens at runtime, not necessarily
> > during the probe function.
> > 
> > So we can get into the weird situation that probe() returns success,
> > but then you can't use the device yet because you don't know whether
> > it is supposed to use an IOMMU or not.
> 
> If we want IOMMU devices to be supported by common device drivers we need to 
> defer probing of the master devices, there's no doubt about that. Earlier 
> approaches that hooked up into the device core code were rejected, but it 
> should be possible to use bus notifiers to achieve the same result (with the 
> drawback of having to register one notifier per bus). The 
> BUS_NOTIFY_BIND_DRIVER notifier can then just return -EPROBE_DEFER when a 
> iommus property is available and points to an IOMMU not registered yet. I'm 
> not saying we have to do this, but I believe that at least from a technical 
> point of view it could be done.

I think that fundamentally speaking, relying on notifiers for something like
this is very problematic, both in terms of maintainability and reliability.
We should really try to get the notifiers out of the iommu handling, not put
more of them in.

	Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-14 13:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-12 16:34 [RFC PATCH v3 0/7] Introduce automatic DMA configuration for IOMMU masters Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 1/7] iommu: provide early initialisation hook for IOMMU drivers Will Deacon
2014-09-18 14:31   ` Robin Murphy
2014-09-22 17:35     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 2/7] dma-mapping: replace set_arch_dma_coherent_ops with arch_setup_dma_ops Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 3/7] iommu: add new iommu_ops callback for adding an OF device Will Deacon
2014-09-15 11:57   ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-09-17  1:39     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 4/7] iommu: provide helper function to configure an IOMMU for an of master Will Deacon
2014-09-18 11:13   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-22 17:13     ` Will Deacon
2014-10-14 13:12       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-12 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 5/7] dma-mapping: detect and configure IOMMU in of_dma_configure Will Deacon
2014-09-18 11:17   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-22  9:29     ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22 17:50       ` Will Deacon
2014-10-14 12:53         ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-27 10:51           ` Will Deacon
2014-10-27 11:12             ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-10-27 11:30             ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-27 16:02               ` Will Deacon
2014-10-27 16:33                 ` jroedel at suse.de
2014-09-22 17:46     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 6/7] arm: call iommu_init before of_platform_populate Will Deacon
2014-09-22  9:36   ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22 11:08     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-22 11:40       ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22 16:03         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-23  7:02           ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-23  7:44             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-23  8:59               ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-14 13:07               ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-14 13:20                 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2014-10-14 13:37                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-14 15:01                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-14 15:05                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-14 15:10                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-12 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 7/7] arm: dma-mapping: plumb our iommu mapping ops into arch_setup_dma_ops Will Deacon
2014-09-22  9:19   ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22  9:22     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-22 17:43     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-23  7:14       ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-24 16:33         ` Will Deacon
2014-09-25  6:40           ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-30 16:00             ` Will Deacon
2014-10-01  8:46               ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-03 15:08                 ` Will Deacon
2014-10-06  9:52                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-06 10:50                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-06 13:05                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-16 11:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 0/7] Introduce automatic DMA configuration for IOMMU masters Robin Murphy
2014-09-17  1:19   ` Will Deacon

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