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From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: Pranjal Shrivastava <praan@google.com>
Cc: "Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	"Nicolin Chen" <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>, "Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	"Jean-Philippe Brucker" <jpb@kernel.org>,
	"Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"Mikołaj Lenczewski" <miko.lenczewski@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, iommu@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-sva: Enable Hardware Access and Hardware Dirty bits
Date: Fri, 8 May 2026 15:24:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4e129891-2f52-4bac-8e33-1fdde42fd29a@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <af3ryl7G58D2GeWr@google.com>

On 2026-05-08 2:57 pm, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
> On Fri, May 08, 2026 at 02:31:11PM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote:
>> On 2026-05-08 2:12 pm, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
>>> On Fri, May 08, 2026 at 09:35:50AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>>> On Thu, May 07, 2026 at 10:30:14PM +0000, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
>>>>>> @@ -92,6 +92,16 @@ void arm_smmu_make_sva_cd(struct arm_smmu_cd *target,
>>>>>>    		target->data[1] = cpu_to_le64(virt_to_phys(mm->pgd) &
>>>>>>    					      CTXDESC_CD_1_TTB0_MASK);
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +		/*
>>>>>> +		 * Enable Hardware Access and Dirty updates (DBM) if supported.
>>>>>> +		 * This is safe to enable by default, as PTE_WRITE and PTE_DBM
>>>>>> +		 * share the same bit.
>>>>>> +		 */
>>>>>> +		if (master->smmu->features & ARM_SMMU_FEAT_HA)
>>>>>> +			target->data[0] |= cpu_to_le64(CTXDESC_CD_0_TCR_HA);
>>>>>> +		if (master->smmu->features & ARM_SMMU_FEAT_HD)
>>>>>> +			target->data[0] |= cpu_to_le64(CTXDESC_CD_0_TCR_HD);
>>>>>
>>>>> IIUC, we should be setting these if IO_PGTABLE_QUIRK_ARM_HD is present?
>>>>
>>>> SVA does not use IO_PGTABLE at all, and it directly constructs its own
>>>> CD.
>>>>
>>>> No relation between those two flows.
>>>
>>> I understand that but I mean we need to know if the system supports
>>> HTTU ? Like for SMMU we use the IO_PGTABLE_QUIRK, shouldn't we be
>>> checking if the CPU's tables support HTTU?
>>>
>>> Are we assuming that if the SMMU IDR presents HTTU capability the MMU
>>> would also have it? I think an unconditional enablement is risky as we
>>> may not have system-wide HTTU support.
>>>
>>> If we look at arm_smmu_master_sva_supported, the driver already
>>> maintains a strict agreement between the CPU and SMMU for SVA.
>>> It checks sanitized CPU ID registers for things like PARANGE & ASIDBITS,
>>> and it uses system_supports_bbml2_noabort() to decide whether to enable
>>> FEAT_BBML2.
>>>
>>> Shouldn't we follow this exact same pattern for HTTU ?
>>> We should probably be checking cpu_has_hw_af() (from asm/cpufeature.h)
>>> in the SVA support check or here if we wanna enable HTTU.
>>
>> It might make sense to depend on CONFIG_ARM64_HW_AFDBM - when that is
>> enabled, then IIRC we already expect to cope with some CPUs not supporting
>> hardware updates, so it should still be fine for an SMMU to make them even
>> if no CPU does. However, if it's disabled then I'm not sure if missing
>> access flag faults (if SMMU HA silently sets them) might be an issue - for
>> dirty, we'd just never put down the Writeable-Clean permission so enabling
>> SMMU HD wouldn't do anything anyway.
> 
> I see, so IIUC, you mean if IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARM64_HW_AFDBM) but CPU
> doesn't enable HTTU, it is perfectly safe to let the SMMU do HTT updates,
> Since the fault handlers are already expecting HW-triggered updates?
> 
> Which means our check would be something like:
> 
>     if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARM64_HW_AFDBM) {
>     	if (smmu->features & FEAT_HA)
> 	 ...
>     }
> 
> instead of cpu_has_hw_af()?

Hmm, looking closer, cpu_has_hw_af() is the thing which actually 
influences mm behaviour (via arch_has_hw_pte_young and 
arch_wants_old_prefaulted_pte), and that can still be false at runtime 
if ARM64_HW_AFDBM is enabled but any CPU doesn't support HAFDBS, so 
perhaps you were right the first time :)

Although AFAICS from __cpu_setup(), ARM64_HW_AFDBM will still 
unconditionally enable TCR_EL1.HA on CPUs which do support it, so maybe 
it is OK anyway?

Cheers,
Robin.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-08 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-03 13:54 [PATCH] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-sva: Enable Hardware Access and Hardware Dirty bits Nicolin Chen
2026-05-07 22:30 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-08 12:35   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-08 13:12     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-08 13:27       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-08 13:31       ` Robin Murphy
2026-05-08 13:57         ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-08 14:24           ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2026-05-09  7:56             ` Nicolin Chen

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