linux-arm-kernel.lists.infradead.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: robherring2@gmail.com (Rob Herring)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 1/3] pstore-ram: use write-combine mappings
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 18:59:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <516C9454.4060009@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMbhsRS1hnBRoomoiNijrXZB-938d2RSs1cu9EdSfmXD3xpSQg@mail.gmail.com>

On 04/15/2013 05:21 PM, Colin Cross wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 04/09/2013 10:53 PM, Colin Cross wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> From: Rob Herring <rob.herring@calxeda.com>
>>>>
>>>> Atomic operations are undefined behavior on ARM for device or strongly
>>>> ordered memory types. So use write-combine variants for mappings. This
>>>> corresponds to normal, non-cacheable memory on ARM. For many other
>>>> architectures, this change should not change the mapping type.
>>>
>>> This is going to make ramconsole less reliable.  A debugging printk
>>> followed by a __raw_writel that causes an immediate hard crash is
>>> likely to lose the last updates, including the most useful message, in
>>> the write buffers.
>>
>> It would have to be a write that hangs the bus. In my experience with
>> AXI, the bus doesn't actually hang until you hit max outstanding
>> transactions.
> 
> I've seen many cases where a single write to device memory in an
> unclocked slave will completely and instantly hang all cpus, and the
> next write will never happen.
> 
>> I think exclusive stores will limit the buffering, but that is probably
>> not architecturally guaranteed.
>>
>> I could put a wb() in at the end of persistent_ram_write.
>>
>>> Also, isn't this patch unnecessary after patch 3 in this set?
>>
>> It is still needed in the main memory case to be architecturally correct
>> to avoid multiple mappings of different memory types and exclusive
>> accesses to device memory. At least on an A9, it doesn't really seem to
>> matter. I could remove this for the ioremap case.
> 
> According to my reading of the latest ARM ARM (Issue C, section
> A3.5.7), and Catalin's excellent explanation
> (http://lists.linaro.org/pipermail/linaro-dev/2012-February/010239.html),
> it is no longer considered unpredictable to have both cached and
> non-cached mappings to the same memory, as long as you use proper
> cache maintenance between accessing the two mappings.
> 
> In pstore_ram the cached mapping will never be accessed (and we don't
> care about speculative accesses), so no cache maintenance is
> necessary.  I don't see any need for this patch, and I see plenty of
> possible problems.

Exclusive accesses still have further restrictions. From section 3.4.5:

? It is IMPLEMENTATION DEFINED whether LDREX and STREX operations can be
performed to a memory region
   with the Device or Strongly-ordered memory attribute. Unless the
implementation documentation explicitly
  states that LDREX and STREX operations to a memory region with the
Device or Strongly-ordered attribute are
 permitted, the effect of such operations is UNPREDICTABLE.


Given that it is implementation defined, I don't see how Linux can rely
on that behavior.

Rob

  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-15 23:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-10  3:08 [RFC PATCH 1/3] pstore-ram: use write-combine mappings Rob Herring
2013-04-10  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] pstore ram: remove the power of buffer size limitation Rob Herring
2013-04-10  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] pstore/ram: avoid atomic accesses for ioremapped regions Rob Herring
2013-04-10  4:10   ` Colin Cross
2013-04-10 15:55     ` Rob Herring
2013-04-10  3:53 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] pstore-ram: use write-combine mappings Colin Cross
2013-04-10 13:30   ` Rob Herring
2013-04-15 22:21     ` Colin Cross
2013-04-15 23:59       ` Rob Herring [this message]
2013-04-16  0:43         ` Colin Cross
2013-04-16  8:44           ` Will Deacon
2013-04-16 12:58             ` Rob Herring
2013-04-16 13:48               ` Catalin Marinas
2013-04-19  9:54   ` Russell King - ARM Linux

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=516C9454.4060009@gmail.com \
    --to=robherring2@gmail.com \
    --cc=linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).