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From: cov@codeaurora.org (Christopher Covington)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 1/3] arm_arch_timer: introduce arch_timer_stolen_ticks
Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 12:17:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51892933.7090405@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130506143533.GF15278@phenom.dumpdata.com>

Hi Konrad,

On 05/06/2013 10:35 AM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
>>> e.g. if a VCPU sets a timer for NOW+5, but 3 are stolen in the middle it
>>> would not make sense (from the guests PoV) for NOW'==NOW+2 at the point
>>> where the timer goes off. Nor does it make sense to require that the
>>> guest actually be running for 5 before injecting the timer because that
>>> would mean real time elapsed time for the timer would be 5+3 in the case
>>> where 3 are stolen.
>>
>> This is a bit of an aside, but I think that hiding time spent at higher
>> privilege levels can be a quite sensible approach to timekeeping in a
>> virtualized environment, but I understand that it's not the approach taken
>> with Xen, and as you pointed out above, adjusting the Virtual Offset Register
>> by itself isn't enough to implement that approach.
> 
> This is the approach taken by Xen and KVM. Look in CONFIG_PARAVIRT_CLOCK for
> implementation. In the user-space, the entry in 'top' of "stolen" (%st)
> is for this exact value.

I may have been unclear with my terms, sorry. When I refer to time being
"hidden", I mean that kernel level software (supervisor mode, EL1) cannot
detect the passage of that time at all. I don't know whether this would really
work, but I imagine one might be able to get close with the current
virtualization facilities for ARM.

Am I correct in interpreting that what you're referring to is the deployment
of paravirtualization code that ensures (observable) "stolen" time is factored
into kernel decision-making?

Thanks,
Christopher

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-07 16:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-01 19:27 [PATCH 0/3] xen/arm: account for stolen ticks Stefano Stabellini
2013-05-01 19:27 ` [PATCH 1/3] arm_arch_timer: introduce arch_timer_stolen_ticks Stefano Stabellini
2013-05-01 20:36   ` Christopher Covington
2013-05-02  8:19     ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell
2013-05-02 21:33       ` Christopher Covington
2013-05-03 10:43         ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-05-03 10:54           ` Marc Zyngier
2013-05-05 16:47             ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-05-06 14:55               ` Christopher Covington
2013-05-06 14:35         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-05-07 16:17           ` Christopher Covington [this message]
2013-05-08 11:19             ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-05-08 11:48               ` Christopher Covington
2013-05-01 19:27 ` [PATCH 2/3] xen: move do_stolen_accounting to drivers/xen/time.c Stefano Stabellini
2013-05-02  8:19   ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell
2013-05-02 18:49   ` Christopher Covington
2013-05-03  8:26     ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell
2013-05-03 10:29       ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-05-01 19:27 ` [PATCH 3/3] xen/arm: account for stolen ticks Stefano Stabellini
2013-05-02  8:21   ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell
2013-05-02 10:38     ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-05-02 10:48       ` Ian Campbell
2013-05-02 10:54         ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-05-02 11:02           ` Ian Campbell
2013-05-02 11:04             ` Stefano Stabellini

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