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From: tomasz.figa@gmail.com (Tomasz Figa)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 1/7] drm/exynos: add super device support
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 19:32:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53403E42.1010403@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAQKjZPbzb+qvJA5y+Kco9BRv4j3iVatM_0bd+ugyuVZUbfFFg@mail.gmail.com>

[adding more people and MLs on Cc for further discussion]

On 04.04.2014 17:44, Inki Dae wrote:
> 2014-04-04 22:55 GMT+09:00 Tomasz Figa <t.figa@samsung.com>:
>> Hi Inki,
>>
>>
>> On 01.04.2014 14:37, Inki Dae wrote:
>>>
>>> This patch adds super device support to bind sub drivers
>>> using device tree.
>>>
>>> For this, you should add a super device node to each machine dt files
>>> like belows,
>>>
>>> In case of using MIPI-DSI,
>>>          display-subsystem {
>>>                  compatible = "samsung,exynos-display-subsystem";
>>>                  ports = <&fimd>, <&dsi>;
>>>          };
>>>
>>> In case of using DisplayPort,
>>>          display-subsystem {
>>>                  compatible = "samsung,exynos-display-subsystem";
>>>                  ports = <&fimd>, <&dp>;
>>>          };
>>>
>>> In case of using Parallel panel,
>>>          display-subsystem {
>>>                  compatible = "samsung,exynos-display-subsystem";
>>>                  ports = <&fimd>;
>>>          };
>>>
>>> And if you don't add connector device node to ports property,
>>> default parallel panel driver, exynos_drm_dpi module, will be used.
>>>
>>> ports property can have the following device nodes,
>>>          fimd, mixer, Image Enhancer, MIPI-DSI, eDP, LVDS Bridge, or HDMI
>>>
>>> With this patch, we can resolve the probing order issue without
>>> some global lists. So this patch also removes the unnecessary lists and
>>> stuff related to these lists.
>>
>>
>> I can see several problems with this approach:
>>
>> 1) It breaks compatibility with existing DT. After this patch it is no
>> longer possible to use old device trees and get a working DRM. However, in
>> my opinion, this requirement can be relaxed if we make sure that any users
>> are properly converted.
>>
>> 2) What happens if in Kconfig you disable a driver for a component that is
>
> I'm not sure what you meant but there wouldn't be no way that users
> *cannot disable* the driver for a component. The driver would be
> exynos_drm_drv, not separated module, and would always be built as
> long as users want to use *exynos drm driver*.

I think you don't understand what I mean. Let me show you an example:

You have a board with a DSI panel and also a HDMI output. So you have a 
supernode pointing to FIMD, DSI and HDMI.

Now, an user finds that he doesn't need HDMI in his system, so he turns 
off CONFIG_DRM_EXYNOS_HDMI. The supernode still points at hdmi node and 
Exynos DRM core will register it as a component, but HDMI driver is not 
available and will never probe, leading the whole Exynos DRM to never 
initialize. Is this a desired behavior?

>
>> listed in supernode? If I'm reading the code correctly, Exynos DRM will not
>
> And the only case a component isn't added to the list is when users
> disabled sub driver.

See above.

The code creating the list of components to wait for 
(exynos_drm_add_components()) doesn't seem to consider which sub-drivers 
are actually enabled in kernel config.

>> register, which is completely wrong. Users should be able to select which
>> drivers should be compiled into their kernels.
>
> So users are be able to select drivers they want to use, and will be
> compiled correctly. So no, the only thing users can disable is each
> sub driver, not core module.
>
>>
>> 3) Such approach leads to complete integration of all Exynos DRM drivers,
>> without possibility of loading some sub-drivers as modules. I know that
>> current driver design doesn't support it either, but if this series is
>
> No, current drm driver *must also be built* as one integrated single
> drm driver without super device approach.

As I wrote, I know that current design before this patch isn't modular 
either, but this is not my concern here. See below.

> So the super device approach
> *has no any effect on existing design*,  and what the super device
> approch tries to do is to resolve the probe order issue to sub drivers
> *without some codes specific to Exynos drm*.

My concern is that the supernode design is actually carving such broken 
non-modular design in stone. Remember that we are currently heading 
towards a fully multi-platform kernel where it is critical for such 
subsystems to be modular, because the same zImage is going to be running 
on completely different machines.

>
>> claimed to improve things, it should really do so.
>>
>> 4) Exactly the same can be achieved without changing the DT bindings at all.
>> In fact even without adding any new single property or node to DT. We
>> discussed this with Andrzej and Marek today and came to a solution in which
>> just by adding a little bit of code to Exynos DRM subdrivers, you could
>> guarantee correct registration of Exynos DRM platform and also get rid of
>> #ifdeffery in exynos_drm_drv.c. Andrzej will send an RFC after the weekend.
>
> I'm not sure but I had implemented below prototype codes for that, see
> the below link,
> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/daeinki/drm-exynos.git/commit/?h=exynos-bridge-test&id=2860ad02d736e300034ddeabce3da92614922b4e
>
> I guess what you said would be similler approach.

Not exactly. The approach we found does mostly the same as componentized 
subsystem framework but without _any_ extra data in Device Tree. Just 
based on the list of subsystem sub-drivers that is already available to 
the master driver.

>
> And I still think the use of the component framework would be the best
> solution and *Linux generic way* for resolving the probe order issue
> without any specific codes. So I'm not advocating the compoent
> framework but I tend not to want to use specific codes.
>

I understand your concern. I also believe that generic frameworks should 
be reused wherever possible. However the componentized subsystem 
framework is a bit of overkill for this simple problem. Moreover, Device 
Tree is not a trash can where any data that can be thought of can be 
thrown as you go, but rather a hardware description that is supposed to 
be a stable ABI and needs to be well-thought. So, if something can be 
done in a way that doesn't require additional data, it's better to do it 
that way.

>>
>> 5) This series seems to break DPI display support with runtime PM enabled.
>> Universal C210 just hangs on second FIMD probe, after first one fails with
>> probe deferral. This needs more investigation, though.
>
> For -next, I never expect that pm operations would be operated
> perfactly. They are really not for product. Just adding new feature
> and drivers to -next, and then fixing them while in RC. And RC process
> would also be for it. Actually, I see pm interfaces of exynos_drm_dsi
> driver leads to break a single driver model because pm operations
> should be done at top level of exynos drm, and some codes Sean didn't
> fix. So such things are in my fix-todo-list. I tend to accept new
> features and drivers for -next as long as they have no big problem,
> And that is my style I maintain.

Unless it breaks so much that the system is unable to boot at all, which 
is the case. As I said, the system just hangs, like something would 
access hardware that is not properly initialized, e.g. without power 
domain or clocks enabled.

Anyway, I don't agree that regressions are allowed in linux-next, 
especially if found before applying a patch. Linux-next is a tree in 
which patches that are supposed to be ready to be pulled by Linus should 
be pushed. Of course nobody can spot all the regressions before the 
patches hitting -next and that's fine, as -next is an integration 
_testing_ tree. However even if already in -next, regressions should be 
fixed ASAP to minimize the number of fix patches needed during -rc period.

Best regards,
Tomasz

       reply	other threads:[~2014-04-05 17:32 UTC|newest]

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2014-04-05 17:32       ` Tomasz Figa [this message]
2014-04-05 18:24         ` [PATCH v2 1/7] drm/exynos: add super device support Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-04-05 18:31           ` Tomasz Figa
2014-04-05 18:52             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-04-05 19:01               ` Tomasz Figa
2014-04-06  4:21             ` Inki Dae
2014-04-06  8:47               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-04-06  9:38                 ` Inki Dae
2014-04-06  3:15         ` Inki Dae
2014-04-07 14:18           ` Andrzej Hajda
2014-04-07 14:24             ` Tomasz Figa
2014-04-07 15:16             ` Inki Dae
2014-04-07 15:40               ` Tomasz Figa
2014-04-08  8:37                 ` Inki Dae

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