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From: holler@ahsoftware.de (Alexander Holler)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 1/9] dt: deps: dtc: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 19:26:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <537A3EC4.9060801@ahsoftware.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJgR-BhRtc1XGqk-TVOrf2y_pYS+nratkPrf+OenP4SFcyK3ng@mail.gmail.com>

Am 19.05.2014 17:49, schrieb Jon Loeliger:
> [ Crap.  Sorry about the duplicate post.  Stupid HTML; didn't hit the
> lists. -- jdl ]
>
>
>> What's still questionable about the patches for dtc is if dependencies to
>> devices and not just drivers should be included in the new property
>> dependencies too.
>
> I don't think the DTC should have any semantic knowledge of why these
> dependency arcs are being added to the graph.  Sure, it could be that
> different types of arcs are added, and that the total dependency graph
> travels multiple such arc types to obtains some valid topological sort,
> but the DTC itself should just not care.

I will remove those policies (which means including all dependencies). 
As said below, I already thought it was evil premature optimization (I 
did in order to make the graph a bit smaller and to save some bytes). 
(No date, it isn't a paid project so I will do it whenever I feel good 
to do so).

> After saying that, there are likely semantic checks that could be added to
> ensure some policy about those arcs was followed.  Separate the
> implementation from the policy.  There is already plenty of discussion
> down that line within the DTC ongoing.

Hmm, discussion about what? Those dependencies or about semantic checks?

Btw., if someone has a problem with the necessary time to do the 
topological sort at boot time (needs a few ms on a single core omap with 
600 MHz), there could be an additional option to add a new property 
which includes the whole (already topological sorted) list. That 
wouldn't be much effort. But currently I don't think any DT enabled 
device is in need of having to avoid doing the topological sort itself.

Regards,

Alexander Holler

>
> HTH,
> jdl
>
>
> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>wrote:
>
>> Am 17.05.2014 14:16, schrieb Tomasz Figa:
>>
>>
>>   References to phandles of parent or child nodes will not be added to this
>>>> property, because this information is already contained in the blob (in
>>>> the
>>>> form of the tree itself).
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if we shouldn't be including them too for consistency related
>>> reasons, so we have all the necessary information in one place.
>>> References to child nodes are great recipes for cycles, though...
>>>
>>> No strong opinion, though, just an idea.
>>>
>>
>> As said, they are already in the tree itself. And they are already
>> included in the graph (these are the black edges), so they just don't
>> appear in the property dependencies.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> No dependencies to disabled nodes will be added.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Same here. IMHO it might be wise to let the parsing entity (e.g. kernel)
>>> decide whether to ignore a dependency to disabled node or not.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, I like the simplicity of compile-time dependency list
>>> creation. Quite a nice work.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> What's still questionable about the patches for dtc is if dependencies to
>> devices and not just drivers should be included in the new property
>> dependencies too. My current assumption is that all devices belonging to
>> one and the same driver don't have dependencies between each other. In
>> other words the order in which devices will be attached to one and the same
>> driver isn't important. If that assumption is correct it would be possible
>> to just attach all devices belonging to a driver after the driver was
>> loaded (also I haven't that done in my patches).
>>
>> And thinking about that again, I think I was wrong and doing so have been
>> some kind of evil premature optimization I did in order to spare a few
>> dependencies/edges. But changing this can done by removing a few lines in
>> the code for dtc (patch 1).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alexander Holler
>>
>>
>>
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-19 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-12 16:47 [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] dt: deps: dtc: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles Alexander Holler
2014-05-17 12:16   ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-19 12:35     ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]       ` <CAJgR-BhRtc1XGqk-TVOrf2y_pYS+nratkPrf+OenP4SFcyK3ng@mail.gmail.com>
2014-05-19 17:26         ` Alexander Holler [this message]
2014-05-27 20:02       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-27 20:31         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] dt: deps: dependency based device creation Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:05   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:49     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:20       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 20:06       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 21:10         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 11:00           ` Grant Likely
2014-05-18  9:53             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 17:31           ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-14 15:51     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-17 14:24     ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-18 14:59       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-19  8:41         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print initialization order Alexander Holler
     [not found]   ` <CAJgR-BhnFngGr9qxa7NvF7GExiCAr1=HS16AtN20uj7nCmLcKQ@mail.gmail.com>
2014-05-12 22:58     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print dependency graph as dot (Graphviz) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] dt: deps: register drivers based on the initialization order based on DT Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:13   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:58     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:32       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] dt: deps: WIP: well done drivers Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] dt: deps: kirkwood: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] dt: deps: dts: kirkwood: dockstar: add dependency ehci -> usb power regulator Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:48 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] dt: deps: omap2: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 15:40 ` [PATCH 10/9] dt: deps: fix bug not registering late drivers when OF_DEPENDENCIES is disabled Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 19:27 ` [RFC PATCH 11/9] dt: deps: dtc: introduce new (virtual) property no-dependencies Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:19 ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Grant Likely
2014-05-14 15:02   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 16:05     ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 16:23       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:30         ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 17:45           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:53             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 18:16               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:13                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:06             ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 19:24               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-15  1:46                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 23:00               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-21 14:02   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-21 19:19     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-22 13:19       ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-22 15:45         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-25  9:39         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 13:08           ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 13:37             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 14:13               ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 14:41                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  8:42               ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:49                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  9:42                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:11                     ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26 10:24                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-27 10:34                       ` Grant Likely
2014-08-27 14:44                         ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 16:22                           ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:30                             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:37                               ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:58                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 17:52                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 18:14                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  6:50                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  9:23                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-29  1:43                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:25                     ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:44                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:01                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:08                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:23                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:47                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 12:00                               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 13:58                                 ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-26 14:17                                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-27  7:16                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  9:26                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  7:56             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  8:51             ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  9:56               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:18               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  9:54           ` Mark Rutland

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