From: george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com (George Dunlap)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [Xen-devel] "tcp: refine TSO autosizing" causes performance regression on Xen
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 18:23:25 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <552E9E8D.1080000@eu.citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1429115934.7346.107.camel@edumazet-glaptop2.roam.corp.google.com>
On 04/15/2015 05:38 PM, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> My thoughts that instead of these long talks you should guys read the
> code :
>
> /* TCP Small Queues :
> * Control number of packets in qdisc/devices to two packets / or ~1 ms.
> * This allows for :
> * - better RTT estimation and ACK scheduling
> * - faster recovery
> * - high rates
> * Alas, some drivers / subsystems require a fair amount
> * of queued bytes to ensure line rate.
> * One example is wifi aggregation (802.11 AMPDU)
> */
> limit = max(2 * skb->truesize, sk->sk_pacing_rate >> 10);
> limit = min_t(u32, limit, sysctl_tcp_limit_output_bytes);
>
>
> Then you'll see that most of your questions are already answered.
>
> Feel free to try to improve the behavior, if it does not hurt critical workloads
> like TCP_RR, where we we send very small messages, millions times per second.
First of all, with regard to critical workloads, once this patch gets
into distros, *normal TCP streams* on every VM running on Amazon,
Rackspace, Linode, &c will get a 30% hit in performance *by default*.
Normal TCP streams on xennet *are* a critical workload, and deserve the
same kind of accommodation as TCP_RR (if not more). The same goes for
virtio_net.
Secondly, according to Stefano's and Jonathan's tests,
tcp_limit_output_bytes completely fixes the problem for Xen.
Which means that max(2*skb->truesize, sk->sk_pacing_rate >>10) is
*already* larger for Xen; that calculation mentioned in the comment is
*already* doing the right thing.
As Jonathan pointed out, sysctl_tcp_limit_output_bytes is overriding an
automatic TSQ calculation which is actually choosing an effective value
for xennet.
It certainly makes sense for sysctl_tcp_limit_output_bytes to be an
actual maximum limit. I went back and looked at the original patch
which introduced it (46d3ceabd), and it looks to me like it was designed
to be a rough, quick estimate of "two packets outstanding" (by choosing
the maximum size of the packet, 64k, and multiplying it by two).
Now that you have a better algorithm -- the size of 2 actual packets or
the amount transmitted in 1ms -- it seems like the default
sysctl_tcp_limit_output_bytes should be higher, and let the automatic
TSQ you have on the first line throttle things down when necessary.
-George
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-04-15 17:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-09 15:46 "tcp: refine TSO autosizing" causes performance regression on Xen Stefano Stabellini
2015-04-09 16:16 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-09 16:36 ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-04-09 17:07 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-13 10:56 ` [Xen-devel] " George Dunlap
2015-04-13 13:38 ` Jonathan Davies
2015-04-13 13:49 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 13:43 ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 16:38 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 17:23 ` George Dunlap [this message]
2015-04-15 17:29 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 17:41 ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 17:52 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 17:55 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-15 18:08 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 18:19 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-15 18:32 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 20:08 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-15 18:04 ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 18:19 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16 8:56 ` George Dunlap
2015-04-16 9:20 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-16 10:01 ` George Dunlap
2015-04-16 12:42 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-20 11:03 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-02 9:52 ` Wei Liu
2015-06-02 16:16 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16 9:22 ` David Laight
2015-04-16 10:57 ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 17:41 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 17:58 ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-04-15 18:17 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16 4:20 ` Herbert Xu
2015-04-16 4:30 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16 11:39 ` George Dunlap
2015-04-16 12:16 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16 13:00 ` Tim Deegan
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