From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC] ARM VM System Sepcification
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:55:58 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5553754.0b4gMg5OS7@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140226183454.GA14639@cbox>
On Wednesday 26 February 2014 10:34:54 Christoffer Dall wrote:
> ARM VM System Specification
> ===========================
>
> Goal
> ----
> The goal of this spec is to allow suitably-built OS images to run on
> all ARM virtualization solutions, such as KVM or Xen.
>
> Recommendations in this spec are valid for aarch32 and aarch64 alike, and
> they aim to be hypervisor agnostic.
>
> Note that simply adhering to the SBSA [2] is not a valid approach,
> for example because the SBSA mandates EL2, which will not be available
> for VMs. Further, the SBSA mandates peripherals like the pl011, which
> may be controversial for some ARM VM implementations to support.
> This spec also covers the aarch32 execution mode, not covered in the
> SBSA.
I would prefer if we can stay as close as possible to SBSA for individual
hardware components, and only stray from it when there is a strong reason.
pl011-subset doesn't sound like a significant problem to implement,
especially as SBSA makes the DMA part of that optional. Can you
elaborate on what hypervisor would have a problem with that?
> Hardware Description
> --------------------
> The Linux kernel's proper entry point always takes a pointer to an FDT,
> regardless of the boot mechanism, firmware, and hardware description
> method. Even on real hardware which only supports ACPI and UEFI, the kernel
> entry point will still receive a pointer to a simple FDT, generated by
> the Linux kernel UEFI stub, containing a pointer to the UEFI system
> table. The kernel can then discover ACPI from the system tables. The
> presence of ACPI vs. FDT is therefore always itself discoverable,
> through the FDT.
>
> Therefore, the VM implementation must provide through its UEFI
> implementation, either:
>
> a complete FDT which describes the entire VM system and will boot
> mainline kernels driven by device tree alone, or
>
> no FDT. In this case, the VM implementation must provide ACPI, and
> the OS must be able to locate the ACPI root pointer through the UEFI
> system table.
>
> For more information about the arm and arm64 boot conventions, see
> Documentation/arm/Booting and Documentation/arm64/booting.txt in the
> Linux kernel source tree.
>
> For more information about UEFI and ACPI booting, see [4] and [5].
What's the point of having ACPI in a virtual machine? You wouldn't
need to abstract any of the hardware in AML since you already know
what the virtual hardware is, so I can't see how this would help
anyone.
However, as ACPI will not be supported by arm32, not having the
complete FDT will prevent you from running a 32-bit guest on
a 64-bit hypervisor, which I consider an important use case.
> VM Platform
> -----------
> The specification does not mandate any specific memory map. The guest
> OS must be able to enumerate all processing elements, devices, and
> memory through HW description data (FDT, ACPI) or a bus-specific
> mechanism such as PCI.
>
> The virtual platform must support at least one of the following ARM
> execution states:
> (1) aarch32 virtual CPUs on aarch32 physical CPUs
> (2) aarch32 virtual CPUs on aarch64 physical CPUs
> (3) aarch64 virtual CPUs on aarch64 physical CPUs
>
> It is recommended to support both (2) and (3) on aarch64 capable
> physical systems.
Isn't this more of a CPU capabilities question? Or maybe you
should just add 'if aarch32 mode supported is supported by
the host CPU'.
>
> The virtual hardware platform must provide a number of mandatory
> peripherals:
>
> Serial console: The platform should provide a console,
> based on an emulated pl011, a virtio-console, or a Xen PV console.
>
> An ARM Generic Interrupt Controller v2 (GICv2) [3] or newer. GICv2
> limits the the number of virtual CPUs to 8 cores, newer GIC versions
> removes this limitation.
>
> The ARM virtual timer and counter should be available to the VM as
> per the ARM Generic Timers specification in the ARM ARM [1].
>
> A hotpluggable bus to support hotplug of at least block and network
> devices. Suitable buses include a virtual PCIe bus and the Xen PV
> bus.
I think you should specify exactly what you want PCIe to look like,
if present. Otherwise you can get wildly incompatible bus discovery.
> Note that this platform specification is separate from the Linux kernel
> concept of mach-virt, which merely specifies a machine model driven
> purely from device tree, but does not mandate any peripherals or have any
> mention of ACPI.
Did you notice we are removing mach-virt now? Probably no point
mentioning it here.
Arnd
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2014-02-26 18:34 [RFC] ARM VM System Sepcification Christoffer Dall
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2014-02-26 19:27 ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 19:51 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27 13:12 ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-27 16:02 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-01 15:41 ` Grant Likely
2014-02-26 19:55 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2014-02-26 20:05 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 20:22 ` Arnd Bergmann
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2014-02-26 21:56 ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 22:21 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27 7:30 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 10:05 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-01 19:12 ` Grant Likely
2014-02-27 9:35 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-02-26 20:19 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-26 20:20 ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 21:48 ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-26 22:25 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-01 19:20 ` Grant Likely
2014-02-27 12:31 ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-27 14:00 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 14:24 ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-27 19:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-28 0:05 ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-28 10:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-28 14:44 ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-03-01 19:25 ` Grant Likely
2014-02-26 22:49 ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 22:54 ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 23:08 ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 23:14 ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-27 4:06 ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-02-27 11:36 ` Robie Basak
2014-02-26 23:13 ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 21:05 ` Michael Hudson-Doyle
2014-02-26 21:08 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27 0:41 ` Blibbet
[not found] ` <CACxGe6tjuytsYAn6Hadf0AK+REzHgRydgbHPafL8+Sdtd_tMUA@mail.gmail.com>
2014-02-26 22:47 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27 12:27 ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-03-01 19:54 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-02 9:29 ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-27 12:55 ` Peter Maydell
[not found] ` <20140226134251.0436294e@anubis.ausil.us>
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[not found] ` <20140226151536.58154704@anubis.ausil.us>
2014-02-27 17:34 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 15:27 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-03 1:13 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-06 8:52 ` Robie Basak
2014-03-06 9:46 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-06 11:44 ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-06 12:04 ` Robie Basak
2014-03-06 12:10 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-07 12:24 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` < 20140322010206.GF25519@cbox>
2014-03-22 2:29 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-22 8:08 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-23 3:19 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-23 3:29 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-24 9:57 ` Robie Basak
2014-03-24 10:46 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-22 12:23 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22 19:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-22 22:35 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22 23:38 ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-23 0:33 ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-23 3:23 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-24 9:03 ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 10:41 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-24 10:47 ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 12:13 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-24 12:16 ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-07 12:19 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-08 11:41 ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-08 20:41 ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-07 12:09 ` Grant Likely
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