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From: grygorii.strashko@ti.com (Grygorii Strashko)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 7/7] ARM: smp: Add runtime PM support for CPU hotplug
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 11:21:53 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55EE9AA1.8020200@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2355864.I8qZFusWfm@vostro.rjw.lan>

On 09/07/2015 11:42 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Monday, September 07, 2015 04:37:44 PM Grygorii Strashko wrote:
>> On 09/07/2015 04:04 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 05, 2015 11:39:20 AM Alan Stern wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 5 Sep 2015, Grygorii Strashko wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/04/2015 09:45 PM, Alan Stern wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015, Grygorii Strashko wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is one "small" problem with such approach :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - It's incompatible with -RT kernel, because PM runtime can't be used
>>>>>>> in atomic context on -RT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you explain this more fully?  Why can't runtime PM be used in
>>>>>> atomic context in the -rt kernels?
>>>>>>    
>>>>>
>>>>> See:
>>>>>    http://lwn.net/Articles/146861/
>>>>>    https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_does_the_CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT_patch_work.3F
>>>>>
>>>>> spinlock_t
>>>>>       Critical sections are preemptible. The _irq operations (e.g., spin_lock_irqsave())
>>>>>    do -not- disable hardware interrupts. Priority inheritance is used to prevent priority
>>>>>    inversion. An underlying rt_mutex is used to implement spinlock_t in PREEMPT_RT.
>>>>>
>>>>> As result, have to do things like:
>>>>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/18/161
>>>>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/18/162
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for brief reply - Friday/Sat night :)
>>>>
>>>> I see.  Although we normally think of interrupt contexts as being
>>>> atomic, in an -rt kernel this isn't true any more because things like
>>>> spin_lock_irq don't actually disable interrupts.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore it would be correct to say that in -rt kernels, runtime PM
>>>> can be used in interrupt context (if the device is marked as irq-safe),
>>>> but not in atomic context.  Right?
>>>
>>> Right.
>>>
>>> Whatever is suitable for interrupt context in the mainline, will be suitable
>>> for that in -rt kernels too.
>>
>> Not exactly true :(, since spinlock is converted to [rt_] mutex.
>> Usually, this difference can't be seen because on -RT kernel all or
>> mostly all HW IRQ handlers will be forced to be threaded.
> 
> Exactly.  And that's what I'm talking about.
> 
>> For the cases, where such automatic conversion is not working,
>> (like chained irq handlers or HW-handler+Threaded handler) the code
>> has to be carefully patched to work properly as for non-RT as for -RT.
> 
> Right.
> 
>> Also, this triggers some -RT incompatibility issues, like with PM runtime or
> 
> That I'm not sure about.  Why would runtime PM cause problems with -RT (apart
> from attempts to use it from the idle loop, but that's not happening in the
> mainline anyway)?


I have to be more specific - sorry. "irq_safe" mode of PM runtime is incompatible with -RT.

Here is an example:
- HW IRQ handler in TI OMAP GPIO driver is implemented as chained IRQ handler and
  contains pm_runtime_get_sync()/pm_runtime_put(). This works properly with vanilla kernel
  because OMAP GPIO devices marked as irq_safe.
  Chained IRQ handlers can't be forced threaded and PM runtime APIs trigger
 "sleeping function called from invalid context" issues there, so corresponding code has to be reworked.


...


-- 
regards,
-grygorii

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-08  8:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-03 19:58 [PATCH v2 0/7] PM / Domains: Generic PM domains for CPUs/Clusters Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] PM / Domains: Allocate memory outside domain locks Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] PM / Domains: Support IRQ safe PM domains Lina Iyer
2015-09-04 10:02   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-09-04 16:05     ` Lina Iyer
2015-10-01 21:11   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] drivers: cpu: Define CPU devices as IRQ safe Lina Iyer
2015-09-04  4:00   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] PM / Domains: Introduce PM domains for CPUs/clusters Lina Iyer
2015-09-04  3:54   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] ARM: cpuidle: Add runtime PM support for CPU idle Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] ARM64: smp: Add runtime PM support for CPU hotplug Lina Iyer
2015-09-30 12:36   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] ARM: " Lina Iyer
2015-09-04  3:59   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-09-04 15:13     ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04  7:39   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-09-04  9:17   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04  9:27     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04 15:12       ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04 16:23         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04 17:02           ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04 17:46             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04 17:57         ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-04 18:45           ` Alan Stern
2015-09-04 21:46             ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-05 15:39               ` Alan Stern
2015-09-07 13:04                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-07 13:37                   ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-07 20:42                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-08  8:21                       ` Grygorii Strashko [this message]
2015-09-08 22:03                         ` Kevin Hilman
2015-09-10 11:01                           ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-22 17:32                             ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-22 20:53                               ` Thomas Gleixner

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