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From: grygorii.strashko@ti.com (Grygorii Strashko)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 7/7] ARM: smp: Add runtime PM support for CPU hotplug
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 14:01:17 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55F162FD.4050401@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7h613kmuuv.fsf@deeprootsystems.com>

On 09/09/2015 01:03 AM, Kevin Hilman wrote:
> Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com> writes:
> 
>> On 09/07/2015 11:42 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> On Monday, September 07, 2015 04:37:44 PM Grygorii Strashko wrote:
>>>> On 09/07/2015 04:04 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, September 05, 2015 11:39:20 AM Alan Stern wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Sep 2015, Grygorii Strashko wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/04/2015 09:45 PM, Alan Stern wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015, Grygorii Strashko wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is one "small" problem with such approach :(
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - It's incompatible with -RT kernel, because PM runtime can't be used
>>>>>>>>> in atomic context on -RT.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you explain this more fully?  Why can't runtime PM be used in
>>>>>>>> atomic context in the -rt kernels?
>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See:
>>>>>>>     http://lwn.net/Articles/146861/
>>>>>>>     https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_does_the_CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT_patch_work.3F
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> spinlock_t
>>>>>>>        Critical sections are preemptible. The _irq operations (e.g., spin_lock_irqsave())
>>>>>>>     do -not- disable hardware interrupts. Priority inheritance is used to prevent priority
>>>>>>>     inversion. An underlying rt_mutex is used to implement spinlock_t in PREEMPT_RT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As result, have to do things like:
>>>>>>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/18/161
>>>>>>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/18/162
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry for brief reply - Friday/Sat night :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see.  Although we normally think of interrupt contexts as being
>>>>>> atomic, in an -rt kernel this isn't true any more because things like
>>>>>> spin_lock_irq don't actually disable interrupts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Therefore it would be correct to say that in -rt kernels, runtime PM
>>>>>> can be used in interrupt context (if the device is marked as irq-safe),
>>>>>> but not in atomic context.  Right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever is suitable for interrupt context in the mainline, will be suitable
>>>>> for that in -rt kernels too.
>>>>
>>>> Not exactly true :(, since spinlock is converted to [rt_] mutex.
>>>> Usually, this difference can't be seen because on -RT kernel all or
>>>> mostly all HW IRQ handlers will be forced to be threaded.
>>>
>>> Exactly.  And that's what I'm talking about.
>>>
>>>> For the cases, where such automatic conversion is not working,
>>>> (like chained irq handlers or HW-handler+Threaded handler) the code
>>>> has to be carefully patched to work properly as for non-RT as for -RT.
>>>
>>> Right.
>>>
>>>> Also, this triggers some -RT incompatibility issues, like with PM runtime or
>>>
>>> That I'm not sure about.  Why would runtime PM cause problems with -RT (apart
>>> from attempts to use it from the idle loop, but that's not happening in the
>>> mainline anyway)?
>>
>>
>> I have to be more specific - sorry. "irq_safe" mode of PM runtime is incompatible with -RT.
>>
>> Here is an example:
>> - HW IRQ handler in TI OMAP GPIO driver is implemented as chained IRQ handler and
>>    contains pm_runtime_get_sync()/pm_runtime_put(). This works properly with vanilla kernel
>>    because OMAP GPIO devices marked as irq_safe.
>>    Chained IRQ handlers can't be forced threaded and PM runtime APIs trigger
>>   "sleeping function called from invalid context" issues there, so corresponding code has to be reworked.
> 
> Isn't that why those are being converted to raw_*[1] ?
> 
> Kevin
> 
> [1] http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=143749603401221&w=2
> 

That's way I've tried to convert those to generic IRQ handler [2] :), 
so on -RT it will be forced threaded. 

raw_* is different kind of problem in gpio-omap - IRQ controllers
have to use raw_* inside irq_chip callbacks, because IRQ core guards those
callbacks using raw_* locks. 
.irq_bus_lock()/irq_bus_sync_unlock() callbacks can be used [3]
for any kind of operations which require non-atomic context.

[2] https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/18/162
gpio: omap: convert to use generic irq handler
[3] https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/18/161
gpio: omap: move pm runtime in irq_chip.irq_bus_lock/sync_unlock



-- 
regards,
-grygorii

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-10 11:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-03 19:58 [PATCH v2 0/7] PM / Domains: Generic PM domains for CPUs/Clusters Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] PM / Domains: Allocate memory outside domain locks Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] PM / Domains: Support IRQ safe PM domains Lina Iyer
2015-09-04 10:02   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-09-04 16:05     ` Lina Iyer
2015-10-01 21:11   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] drivers: cpu: Define CPU devices as IRQ safe Lina Iyer
2015-09-04  4:00   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] PM / Domains: Introduce PM domains for CPUs/clusters Lina Iyer
2015-09-04  3:54   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] ARM: cpuidle: Add runtime PM support for CPU idle Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] ARM64: smp: Add runtime PM support for CPU hotplug Lina Iyer
2015-09-30 12:36   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] ARM: " Lina Iyer
2015-09-04  3:59   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-09-04 15:13     ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04  7:39   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-09-04  9:17   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04  9:27     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04 15:12       ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04 16:23         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04 17:02           ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04 17:46             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04 17:57         ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-04 18:45           ` Alan Stern
2015-09-04 21:46             ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-05 15:39               ` Alan Stern
2015-09-07 13:04                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-07 13:37                   ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-07 20:42                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-08  8:21                       ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-08 22:03                         ` Kevin Hilman
2015-09-10 11:01                           ` Grygorii Strashko [this message]
2015-09-22 17:32                             ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-22 20:53                               ` Thomas Gleixner

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