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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, gerald.schaefer@linux.ibm.com,
	willy@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
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	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, John@groves.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/12] mm: Remove redundant pXd_devmap calls
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2025 19:04:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <79f75185-ac45-47c6-8f56-2ffa1e4815b0@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6841c63b3cb25_249110060@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch>

On 05.06.25 18:30, Dan Williams wrote:
> David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 05.06.25 14:09, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 07:35:24PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> If all dax pages are special, then vm_normal_page() should never find
>>>> them and gup should fail.
>>>>
>>>> ...oh, but vm_normal_page_p[mu]d() is not used in the gup path, and
>>>> 'special' is not set in the pte path.
>>>
>>> That seems really suboptimal?? Why would pmd and pte be different?
>>>
>>>> I think for any p[mu]d where p[mu]d_page() is ok to use should never set
>>>> 'special', right?
>>>
>>> There should be dedicated functions for installing pages and PFNs,
>>> only the PFN one would set the special bit.
>>>
>>> And certainly your tests *should* be failing as special entries should
>>> never ever be converted to struct page.
>>
>> Worth reviewing [1] where I clean that up and describe the current
>> impact. ;)
> 
> Will do.
> 
>> What's even worse about this pte_devmap()/pmd_devmap()/... shit (sorry!
>> but it's absolute shit) is that some pte_mkdev() set the pte special,
>> while others ... don't.
> 
> As the person who started the turd rolling into this pile that Alistair
> is heroically cleaning up, I approve this characterization.
> 
>> E.g., loongarch
>>
>> static inline pte_t pte_mkdevmap(pte_t pte)	{ pte_val(pte) |=
>> _PAGE_DEVMAP; return pte; }
>>
>> I don't even know how it can (could) survive vm_normal_page().
> 
> Presently "can" because dax switched away from vmf_insert_mixed() to
> vmf_insert_page(), "could" in the past was the devmap hack to avoid
> treating VM_MIXEDMAP as !vm_normal_page().

The thing is, in vm_normal_page() if we have CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_PTE_SPECIAL 
-- which loongarch sets -- if we don't see pte_special(), we will assume 
that it is refcounted.

	if (likely(!pte_special(pte))
		goto check_pfn;

So if pte_mkdevmap() does not set pte_special(), then ... 
vm_normal_page() would detect it as normal, although it isn't normal?

But maybe I am missing something important.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-05 17:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-29  6:32 [PATCH 00/12] mm: Remove pXX_devmap page table bit and pfn_t type Alistair Popple
2025-05-29  6:32 ` [PATCH 01/12] mm: Remove PFN_MAP, PFN_SG_CHAIN and PFN_SG_LAST Alistair Popple
2025-05-29 11:46   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-06-04  3:22     ` Alistair Popple
2025-05-30  9:33   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-02  4:54   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-04  3:23     ` Alistair Popple
2025-06-03 13:34   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-04 21:05   ` Dan Williams
2025-05-29  6:32 ` [PATCH 02/12] mm: Convert pXd_devmap checks to vma_is_dax Alistair Popple
2025-05-30  9:37   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12  6:55     ` Alistair Popple
2025-06-03 13:35   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-05  1:37   ` Dan Williams
2025-05-29  6:32 ` [PATCH 03/12] mm/pagewalk: Skip dax pages in pagewalk Alistair Popple
2025-05-30  9:42   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-03 13:36   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-05  1:59   ` Dan Williams
2025-06-05  7:46     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-05  7:49       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-05 16:21         ` Dan Williams
2025-06-12  7:02           ` Alistair Popple
2025-06-12  8:47             ` Alistair Popple
2025-06-12 14:15   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-12 22:50     ` Alistair Popple
2025-05-29  6:32 ` [PATCH 04/12] mm: Convert vmf_insert_mixed() from using pte_devmap to pte_special Alistair Popple
2025-06-03 13:37   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-05  2:02   ` Dan Williams
2025-05-29  6:32 ` [PATCH 05/12] mm: Remove remaining uses of PFN_DEV Alistair Popple
2025-06-03 13:38   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-05  2:02   ` Dan Williams
2025-05-29  6:32 ` [PATCH 06/12] mm/gup: Remove pXX_devmap usage from get_user_pages() Alistair Popple
2025-06-03 13:47   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-05  2:04   ` Dan Williams
2025-05-29  6:32 ` [PATCH 07/12] mm: Remove redundant pXd_devmap calls Alistair Popple
2025-05-29 11:54   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-06-02  9:33   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-02 12:20     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-03 13:48   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-05  2:35   ` Dan Williams
2025-06-05 12:09     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-05 12:21       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-05 16:30         ` Dan Williams
2025-06-05 17:04           ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-06-05 16:22       ` Dan Williams
2025-05-29  6:32 ` [PATCH 08/12] mm/khugepaged: Remove redundant pmd_devmap() check Alistair Popple
2025-06-02 11:45   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-03 13:48   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-29  6:32 ` [PATCH 09/12] powerpc: Remove checks for devmap pages and PMDs/PUDs Alistair Popple
2025-06-03 13:49   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-29  6:32 ` [PATCH 10/12] mm: Remove devmap related functions and page table bits Alistair Popple
2025-06-03 13:50   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-29  6:32 ` [PATCH 11/12] mm: Remove callers of pfn_t functionality Alistair Popple
2025-06-02  4:44   ` Michael Kelley
2025-06-03 13:50   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-29  6:32 ` [PATCH 12/12] mm/memremap: Remove unused devmap_managed_key Alistair Popple
2025-06-03 13:51   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-02 10:31 ` [PATCH 00/12] mm: Remove pXX_devmap page table bit and pfn_t type David Hildenbrand
2025-06-05  1:39 ` Dan Williams

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