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From: Gavin Shan <gshan@redhat.com>
To: Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@arm.com>,
	Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>,
	Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@arm.com>,
	Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>,
	linux-coco@lists.linux.dev,
	Ganapatrao Kulkarni <gankulkarni@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	Shanker Donthineni <sdonthineni@nvidia.com>,
	Alper Gun <alpergun@google.com>,
	"Aneesh Kumar K . V" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 34/45] kvm: rme: Hide KVM_CAP_READONLY_MEM for realm guests
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 16:37:36 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7fa4269b-a20c-4cfc-b6e7-e70214ec6366@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d254a8ea-0f02-4826-9af3-4a288efcc90c@arm.com>

On 4/8/25 2:34 AM, Steven Price wrote:
> On 04/03/2025 11:51, Gavin Shan wrote:
>> On 2/14/25 2:14 AM, Steven Price wrote:
>>> For protected memory read only isn't supported. While it may be possible
>>> to support read only for unprotected memory, this isn't supported at the
>>> present time.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>
>>> ---
>>>    arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c | 2 +-
>>>    1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>
>>
>> It's worthy to explain why KVM_CAP_READONLY_MEM isn't supported and its
>> negative impact. It's something to be done in the future if I'm correct.
> 
> I'll add to the commit message:
> 
>      Note that this does mean that e.g. ROM (or flash) data cannot be
>      emulated correctly by the VMM.
> 

Please also to mention this if you agree: At present, there is no exposed
APIs from RMM allowing to specifying stage-2 page-table entry's permission.
read-only regions for ROM and flash have to be backed up by read-write stage-2
page-table entries. It's going to rely on the stage-1 page-table to have the
proper permissions for those read-only regions.

>>  From QEMU's perspective, all ROM data, which is populated by it, can
>> be written. It conflicts to the natural limit: all ROM data should be
>> read-only.
> 
> Yes this is my understanding of the main impact. I'm not sure how useful
> (shared) ROM/flash emulation is. It can certainly be added in the future
> if needed. Protected read-only memory I don't believe is useful - the
> only sane response I can see from a write fault in that case is killing
> the guest.
> 

Yes, VMM is still able to write to those regions even they're read-only
since they're emulated. For misbehaving guest where those regions are also
mapped as read-write, the data resident in those regions can be corrupted
by guest. It's not the expected output.

Since RMM doesn't have exposed APIs allowing to specify page-table entry's
permissions, meaning all entries have read-write permissions, we have to
give read-write permission to those read-only regions for now. In long run,
it's something to be fixed, starting from RMM.

Thanks,
Gavin

> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
>> QEMU
>> ====
>> rom_add_blob
>>    rom_set_mr
>>      memory_region_set_readonly
>>        memory_region_transaction_commit
>>          kvm_region_commit
>>            kvm_set_phys_mem
>>              kvm_mem_flags                                    // flag
>> KVM_MEM_READONLY is missed
>>              kvm_set_user_memory_region
>>                kvm_vm_ioctl(KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION2)
>>
>> non-secure host
>> ===============
>> rec_exit_sync_dabt
>>    kvm_handle_guest_abort
>>      user_mem_abort
>>        __kvm_faultin_pfn                       // writable == true
>>          realm_map_ipa
>>            WARN_ON(!(prot & KVM_PGTABLE_PROT_W)
>>
>> non-secure host
>> ===============
>> kvm_realm_enable_cap(KVM_CAP_ARM_RME_POPULATE_REALM)
>>    kvm_populate_realm
>>      __kvm_faultin_pfn                      // writable == true
>>        realm_create_protected_data_page
>>
>>> diff --git a/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c b/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c
>>> index 1f3674e95f03..0f1d65f87e2b 100644
>>> --- a/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c
>>> +++ b/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c
>>> @@ -348,7 +348,6 @@ int kvm_vm_ioctl_check_extension(struct kvm *kvm,
>>> long ext)
>>>        case KVM_CAP_ONE_REG:
>>>        case KVM_CAP_ARM_PSCI:
>>>        case KVM_CAP_ARM_PSCI_0_2:
>>> -    case KVM_CAP_READONLY_MEM:
>>>        case KVM_CAP_MP_STATE:
>>>        case KVM_CAP_IMMEDIATE_EXIT:
>>>        case KVM_CAP_VCPU_EVENTS:
>>> @@ -362,6 +361,7 @@ int kvm_vm_ioctl_check_extension(struct kvm *kvm,
>>> long ext)
>>>        case KVM_CAP_COUNTER_OFFSET:
>>>            r = 1;
>>>            break;
>>> +    case KVM_CAP_READONLY_MEM:
>>>        case KVM_CAP_SET_GUEST_DEBUG:
>>>            r = !kvm_is_realm(kvm);
>>>            break;
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Gavin
>>
> 



  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-08  6:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-13 16:13 [PATCH v7 00/45] arm64: Support for Arm CCA in KVM Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 01/45] KVM: Prepare for handling only shared mappings in mmu_notifier events Steven Price
2025-03-02 23:36   ` Gavin Shan
2025-03-03 15:05     ` Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 02/45] kvm: arm64: Include kvm_emulate.h in kvm/arm_psci.h Steven Price
2025-03-02 23:39   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 03/45] arm64: RME: Handle Granule Protection Faults (GPFs) Steven Price
2025-03-02 23:43   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 04/45] arm64: RME: Add SMC definitions for calling the RMM Steven Price
2025-03-02 23:52   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 05/45] arm64: RME: Add wrappers for RMI calls Steven Price
2025-03-03  3:42   ` Gavin Shan
2025-03-03 15:05     ` Steven Price
2025-03-05  0:15       ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 06/45] arm64: RME: Check for RME support at KVM init Steven Price
2025-03-03  3:58   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 07/45] arm64: RME: Define the user ABI Steven Price
2025-02-14 13:09   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-03-03  4:10   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 08/45] arm64: RME: ioctls to create and configure realms Steven Price
2025-03-03  4:42   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 09/45] kvm: arm64: Expose debug HW register numbers for Realm Steven Price
2025-03-03  4:48   ` Gavin Shan
2025-03-05 16:25     ` Steven Price
2025-03-05 23:31       ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 10/45] arm64: kvm: Allow passing machine type in KVM creation Steven Price
2025-03-03  4:53   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 11/45] arm64: RME: RTT tear down Steven Price
2025-03-03  6:25   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 12/45] arm64: RME: Allocate/free RECs to match vCPUs Steven Price
2025-03-03  7:08   ` Gavin Shan
2025-03-07 15:43     ` Steven Price
2025-04-08  4:55       ` Gavin Shan
2025-04-07 15:06   ` Wei-Lin Chang
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 13/45] KVM: arm64: vgic: Provide helper for number of list registers Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 14/45] arm64: RME: Support for the VGIC in realms Steven Price
2025-03-03 18:02   ` Suzuki K Poulose
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 15/45] KVM: arm64: Support timers in realm RECs Steven Price
2025-03-04 17:59   ` Suzuki K Poulose
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 16/45] arm64: RME: Allow VMM to set RIPAS Steven Price
2025-03-04  0:45   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 17/45] arm64: RME: Handle realm enter/exit Steven Price
2025-03-04  1:03   ` Gavin Shan
2025-04-07 16:34     ` Steven Price
2025-04-08  5:03       ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 18/45] arm64: RME: Handle RMI_EXIT_RIPAS_CHANGE Steven Price
2025-03-04  4:35   ` Gavin Shan
2025-04-07 16:34     ` Steven Price
2025-04-09  0:13       ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:13 ` [PATCH v7 19/45] KVM: arm64: Handle realm MMIO emulation Steven Price
2025-03-04  4:52   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 20/45] arm64: RME: Allow populating initial contents Steven Price
2025-03-04  5:09   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 21/45] arm64: RME: Runtime faulting of memory Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 22/45] KVM: arm64: Handle realm VCPU load Steven Price
2025-03-04  5:15   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 23/45] KVM: arm64: Validate register access for a Realm VM Steven Price
2025-03-04  5:29   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 24/45] KVM: arm64: Handle Realm PSCI requests Steven Price
2025-03-04  5:38   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 25/45] KVM: arm64: WARN on injected undef exceptions Steven Price
2025-03-04  5:39   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 26/45] arm64: Don't expose stolen time for realm guests Steven Price
2025-03-04  5:42   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 27/45] arm64: rme: allow userspace to inject aborts Steven Price
2025-03-04  5:47   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 28/45] arm64: rme: support RSI_HOST_CALL Steven Price
2025-03-04  6:01   ` Gavin Shan
2025-04-07 16:34     ` Steven Price
2025-04-08  5:19       ` Gavin Shan
2025-04-09 17:31         ` Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 29/45] arm64: rme: Allow checking SVE on VM instance Steven Price
2025-03-04  6:02   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 30/45] arm64: RME: Always use 4k pages for realms Steven Price
2025-03-04  6:23   ` Gavin Shan
2025-04-07 16:34     ` Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 31/45] arm64: rme: Prevent Device mappings for Realms Steven Price
2025-03-04  6:27   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 32/45] arm_pmu: Provide a mechanism for disabling the physical IRQ Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 33/45] arm64: rme: Enable PMU support with a realm guest Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 34/45] kvm: rme: Hide KVM_CAP_READONLY_MEM for realm guests Steven Price
2025-03-04 11:51   ` Gavin Shan
2025-04-07 16:34     ` Steven Price
2025-04-08  6:37       ` Gavin Shan [this message]
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 35/45] arm64: RME: Propagate number of breakpoints and watchpoints to userspace Steven Price
2025-03-04 23:45   ` Gavin Shan
2025-04-07 16:35     ` Steven Price
2025-04-08  6:39       ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 36/45] arm64: RME: Set breakpoint parameters through SET_ONE_REG Steven Price
2025-03-04 23:46   ` Gavin Shan
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 37/45] arm64: RME: Initialize PMCR.N with number counter supported by RMM Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 38/45] arm64: RME: Propagate max SVE vector length from RMM Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 39/45] arm64: RME: Configure max SVE vector length for a Realm Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 40/45] arm64: RME: Provide register list for unfinalized RME RECs Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 41/45] arm64: RME: Provide accurate register list Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 42/45] arm64: kvm: Expose support for private memory Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 43/45] KVM: arm64: Expose KVM_ARM_VCPU_REC to user space Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 44/45] KVM: arm64: Allow activating realms Steven Price
2025-02-13 16:14 ` [PATCH v7 45/45] WIP: Enable support for PAGE_SIZE>4k Steven Price
2025-03-05  3:53 ` [PATCH v7 00/45] arm64: Support for Arm CCA in KVM Gavin Shan
2025-03-26  2:14 ` Emi Kisanuki (Fujitsu)
2025-03-26  6:14   ` Oliver Upton
2025-04-01  6:54     ` Emi Kisanuki (Fujitsu)

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