From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A1AEC5DF7D for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2026 17:13:13 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.infradead.org; s=bombadil.20210309; h=Sender:List-Subscribe:List-Help :List-Post:List-Archive:List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:In-Reply-To:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Owner; bh=QceIwtEwnqPuc1/8yrg4W19JtxBzT1Me8mopB0Vgqxw=; b=V302DMG2vnyu3uNtV5Ze2Sieyl q2QOmuppi32jcqZyfK38ws/eMUKnaUU2M27PHiNqFbHFhxbmKQNm8ToVch7szjm6yol6RlyrzgHWo 9Pl6hWo9ws7o3PSaU9ceoi7jFYkMhN3QKQaoS2oQGe0mbwnbytB+lY43O9jTr6Hv1JuhBlwAqzgf2 aVBQGXC39715gJJJ/gnY1rPjky2rfje+xaSFeVcniP1dfsAv3oXYKMr54V2ckxBHOjAN6/c6XCBRV Q8NcgteBnXwn4Qvw+45EaStNowxZP8/FdT367HEogtZGGbJveAAr3BQET5+Ppwko/jKxVnznN3lPB cKBisDMg==; Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=bombadil.infradead.org) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.99.1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1wwNMz-00000008PG9-3bkt; Tue, 18 Aug 2026 17:13:01 +0000 Received: from tor.source.kernel.org ([2600:3c04:e001:324:0:1991:8:25]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtps (Exim 4.99.1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1wwNMy-00000008PFk-11qL for linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2026 17:13:00 +0000 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (quasi.space.kernel.org [100.103.45.18]) by tor.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3323060204; Tue, 18 Aug 2026 17:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2AF231F000E9; Tue, 18 Aug 2026 17:12:49 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1787073178; bh=QceIwtEwnqPuc1/8yrg4W19JtxBzT1Me8mopB0Vgqxw=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=gf39ZLFWZwJz5wRac5lAW2GmAjAYoBt5W0nqKwkiWSU//iPNJzFi2NOD3X/zb+i19 rKrceNsFjkGSJ+QZ1FrMDqsQS8rZsHaxgY4U7+sbb1CrRUnq91SRkl86/En/+yex9w CfYwhoaRTsfXb6mqgtnuGecmc+ddzIet03cpivIw1mJimuqLiKcZPSZJZQRxGXMHr0 f0/xngVVM9vIVSjFoJ/yac3sQU6rNZKwKsrZJuiZhNnuxR2wgfyXIYaM/DspAHWbvd Nx/+0W5viKRO5b32/oS9YXZlbuGXO3VVoQSDFZjAOJlwdVNX+GAE2B0ziIfNS+gPcL rVMT5A6YZ+dKA== Message-ID: <807b4b9f-b1ca-4b5c-bc9e-22bf0637ba33@kernel.org> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2026 19:12:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Stop returning struct page from guest_memfd PFN lookup To: Ackerley Tng , Sean Christopherson , Paolo Bonzini , Thomas Gleixner , Ingo Molnar , Borislav Petkov , Dave Hansen , x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" , Ashish Kalra , Michael Roth , Brijesh Singh , Marc Zyngier , Oliver Upton , Joey Gouly , Steffen Eiden , Suzuki K Poulose , Zenghui Yu , Catalin Marinas , Will Deacon , Fuad Tabba , Yan Zhao , "Edgecombe, Rick P" , Vishal Annapurve Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev References: <20260818-gmem-no-return-page-v2-0-5298f42d49bb@google.com> From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" Content-Language: en-US Autocrypt: addr=david@kernel.org; keydata= xsFNBFXLn5EBEAC+zYvAFJxCBY9Tr1xZgcESmxVNI/0ffzE/ZQOiHJl6mGkmA1R7/uUpiCjJ dBrn+lhhOYjjNefFQou6478faXE6o2AhmebqT4KiQoUQFV4R7y1KMEKoSyy8hQaK1umALTdL QZLQMzNE74ap+GDK0wnacPQFpcG1AE9RMq3aeErY5tujekBS32jfC/7AnH7I0v1v1TbbK3Gp XNeiN4QroO+5qaSr0ID2sz5jtBLRb15RMre27E1ImpaIv2Jw8NJgW0k/D1RyKCwaTsgRdwuK Kx/Y91XuSBdz0uOyU/S8kM1+ag0wvsGlpBVxRR/xw/E8M7TEwuCZQArqqTCmkG6HGcXFT0V9 PXFNNgV5jXMQRwU0O/ztJIQqsE5LsUomE//bLwzj9IVsaQpKDqW6TAPjcdBDPLHvriq7kGjt WhVhdl0qEYB8lkBEU7V2Yb+SYhmhpDrti9Fq1EsmhiHSkxJcGREoMK/63r9WLZYI3+4W2rAc UucZa4OT27U5ZISjNg3Ev0rxU5UH2/pT4wJCfxwocmqaRr6UYmrtZmND89X0KigoFD/XSeVv jwBRNjPAubK9/k5NoRrYqztM9W6sJqrH8+UWZ1Idd/DdmogJh0gNC0+N42Za9yBRURfIdKSb B3JfpUqcWwE7vUaYrHG1nw54pLUoPG6sAA7Mehl3nd4pZUALHwARAQABzS5EYXZpZCBIaWxk ZW5icmFuZCAoQ3VycmVudCkgPGRhdmlkQGtlcm5lbC5vcmc+wsGQBBMBCAA6AhsDBQkmWAik AgsJBBUKCQgCFgICHgUCF4AWIQQb2cqtc1xMOkYN/MpN3hD3AP+DWgUCaYJt/AIZAQAKCRBN 3hD3AP+DWriiD/9BLGEKG+N8L2AXhikJg6YmXom9ytRwPqDgpHpVg2xdhopoWdMRXjzOrIKD g4LSnFaKneQD0hZhoArEeamG5tyo32xoRsPwkbpIzL0OKSZ8G6mVbFGpjmyDLQCAxteXCLXz ZI0VbsuJKelYnKcXWOIndOrNRvE5eoOfTt2XfBnAapxMYY2IsV+qaUXlO63GgfIOg8RBaj7x 3NxkI3rV0SHhI4GU9K6jCvGghxeS1QX6L/XI9mfAYaIwGy5B68kF26piAVYv/QZDEVIpo3t7 /fjSpxKT8plJH6rhhR0epy8dWRHk3qT5tk2P85twasdloWtkMZ7FsCJRKWscm1BLpsDn6EQ4 jeMHECiY9kGKKi8dQpv3FRyo2QApZ49NNDbwcR0ZndK0XFo15iH708H5Qja/8TuXCwnPWAcJ DQoNIDFyaxe26Rx3ZwUkRALa3iPcVjE0//TrQ4KnFf+lMBSrS33xDDBfevW9+Dk6IISmDH1R HFq2jpkN+FX/PE8eVhV68B2DsAPZ5rUwyCKUXPTJ/irrCCmAAb5Jpv11S7hUSpqtM/6oVESC 3z/7CzrVtRODzLtNgV4r5EI+wAv/3PgJLlMwgJM90Fb3CB2IgbxhjvmB1WNdvXACVydx55V7 LPPKodSTF29rlnQAf9HLgCphuuSrrPn5VQDaYZl4N/7zc2wcWM7BTQRVy5+RARAA59fefSDR 9nMGCb9LbMX+TFAoIQo/wgP5XPyzLYakO+94GrgfZjfhdaxPXMsl2+o8jhp/hlIzG56taNdt VZtPp3ih1AgbR8rHgXw1xwOpuAd5lE1qNd54ndHuADO9a9A0vPimIes78Hi1/yy+ZEEvRkHk /kDa6F3AtTc1m4rbbOk2fiKzzsE9YXweFjQvl9p+AMw6qd/iC4lUk9g0+FQXNdRs+o4o6Qvy iOQJfGQ4UcBuOy1IrkJrd8qq5jet1fcM2j4QvsW8CLDWZS1L7kZ5gT5EycMKxUWb8LuRjxzZ 3QY1aQH2kkzn6acigU3HLtgFyV1gBNV44ehjgvJpRY2cC8VhanTx0dZ9mj1YKIky5N+C0f21 zvntBqcxV0+3p8MrxRRcgEtDZNav+xAoT3G0W4SahAaUTWXpsZoOecwtxi74CyneQNPTDjNg azHmvpdBVEfj7k3p4dmJp5i0U66Onmf6mMFpArvBRSMOKU9DlAzMi4IvhiNWjKVaIE2Se9BY FdKVAJaZq85P2y20ZBd08ILnKcj7XKZkLU5FkoA0udEBvQ0f9QLNyyy3DZMCQWcwRuj1m73D sq8DEFBdZ5eEkj1dCyx+t/ga6x2rHyc8Sl86oK1tvAkwBNsfKou3v+jP/l14a7DGBvrmlYjO 59o3t6inu6H7pt7OL6u6BQj7DoMAEQEAAcLBfAQYAQgAJgIbDBYhBBvZyq1zXEw6Rg38yk3e EPcA/4NaBQJonNqrBQkmWAihAAoJEE3eEPcA/4NaKtMQALAJ8PzprBEXbXcEXwDKQu+P/vts IfUb1UNMfMV76BicGa5NCZnJNQASDP/+bFg6O3gx5NbhHHPeaWz/VxlOmYHokHodOvtL0WCC 8A5PEP8tOk6029Z+J+xUcMrJClNVFpzVvOpb1lCbhjwAV465Hy+NUSbbUiRxdzNQtLtgZzOV Zw7jxUCs4UUZLQTCuBpFgb15bBxYZ/BL9MbzxPxvfUQIPbnzQMcqtpUs21CMK2PdfCh5c4gS sDci6D5/ZIBw94UQWmGpM/O1ilGXde2ZzzGYl64glmccD8e87OnEgKnH3FbnJnT4iJchtSvx yJNi1+t0+qDti4m88+/9IuPqCKb6Stl+s2dnLtJNrjXBGJtsQG/sRpqsJz5x1/2nPJSRMsx9 5YfqbdrJSOFXDzZ8/r82HgQEtUvlSXNaXCa95ez0UkOG7+bDm2b3s0XahBQeLVCH0mw3RAQg r7xDAYKIrAwfHHmMTnBQDPJwVqxJjVNr7yBic4yfzVWGCGNE4DnOW0vcIeoyhy9vnIa3w1uZ 3iyY2Nsd7JxfKu1PRhCGwXzRw5TlfEsoRI7V9A8isUCoqE2Dzh3FvYHVeX4Us+bRL/oqareJ CIFqgYMyvHj7Q06kTKmauOe4Nf0l0qEkIuIzfoLJ3qr5UyXc2hLtWyT9Ir+lYlX9efqh7mOY qIws/H2t In-Reply-To: <20260818-gmem-no-return-page-v2-0-5298f42d49bb@google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On 8/18/26 11:15, Ackerley Tng wrote: > KVM currently expects kvm_gmem_get_pfn() to return a refcounted struct > page. Callers (such as x86 TDP MMU, arm64 Stage-2 fault handler, and SEV-SNP > VMSA / RMP handlers) hold this refcount across page fault handling. > > Holding a page refcount across fault handling is problematic for guest_memfd. > In-place memory conversions between confidential computing shared and private > states inspect folio refcounts to ensure exclusive ownership by guest_memfd. A > concurrent guest page fault taking a reference on the folio causes conversions > to fail due to an elevated refcount. Right. Won't we still, at least temporarily, grab a reference while looking up the folio in the page cache, or will we be preventing that concurrent race with locking? > > guest_memfd already notifies KVM of page invalidations, so users of guest_memfd > within KVM only need to respect the MMU invalidation protocol to safely rely on > guest_memfd to ensure page presence. Yes, the invalidation protocol is the crucial part. If we get that wrong, we're in holy CVE land. For GUP-fast, there was a similar discussion with MMU notifiers, but to this day, KVM actually grabs+drops references. [...] > Removing struct page from kvm_gmem_get_pfn() also moves KVM closer toward > supporting memory backends that are not backed by struct page. Agreed, they should not be messing with the struct page at all. -- Cheers, David