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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@arm.com>,
	Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>,
	Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@arm.com>,
	Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>,
	linux-coco@lists.linux.dev,
	Ganapatrao Kulkarni <gankulkarni@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	Gavin Shan <gshan@redhat.com>,
	Shanker Donthineni <sdonthineni@nvidia.com>,
	Alper Gun <alpergun@google.com>,
	"Aneesh Kumar K . V" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>,
	Emi Kisanuki <fj0570is@fujitsu.com>,
	Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 05/43] arm64: RME: Check for RME support at KVM init
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2025 14:35:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86h5wizqvn.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2226e62f-76ca-4467-a8ae-460fd463df0a@arm.com>

On Wed, 01 Oct 2025 14:20:13 +0100,
Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com> wrote:
> 
> >> +static int rmi_check_version(void)
> >> +{
> >> +	struct arm_smccc_res res;
> >> +	unsigned short version_major, version_minor;
> >> +	unsigned long host_version = RMI_ABI_VERSION(RMI_ABI_MAJOR_VERSION,
> >> +						     RMI_ABI_MINOR_VERSION);
> >> +
> >> +	arm_smccc_1_1_invoke(SMC_RMI_VERSION, host_version, &res);
> > 
> > Shouldn't you first check that RME is actually available, by looking
> > at ID_AA64PFR0_EL1.RME?
> 
> Well, you made a good point above that this isn't RME, it's CCA. And I
> guess there's a possible world where the CCA interface could be
> supported with something other than FEAT_RME (FEAT_RME2 maybe?) so I'm
> not sure it necessarily a good idea to pin this on a CPU feature
> bit.

But you cannot have CCA without RME. You cannot have CCA with
GICv3. And my point was more that RME could be used by something other
than CCA  - I certainly don't anticipate someone else adopting the CCA
interface for anything...

> Ultimately what we want to know is whether the firmware thinks it can
> supply us with the CCA interface and we don't really care how it
> achieves it.

I disagree. You rely on specific feature sets to be available (hell,
everything is baked around GICv3... GICv5 anyone?).

For this sort of stuff, you absolutely need to know what you are
running on, not what some broken firmware tries to pretend it is.

	M.

-- 
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-01 13:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-20 14:55 [PATCH v10 00/43] arm64: Support for Arm CCA in KVM Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 01/43] kvm: arm64: Include kvm_emulate.h in kvm/arm_psci.h Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 02/43] arm64: RME: Handle Granule Protection Faults (GPFs) Steven Price
2025-08-29 11:38   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15 10:55     ` Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 03/43] arm64: RME: Add SMC definitions for calling the RMM Steven Price
2025-10-01 10:05   ` Marc Zyngier
2025-10-01 11:00     ` Steven Price
2025-10-01 11:58       ` Marc Zyngier
2025-10-01 14:05         ` Steven Price
2025-10-08  8:46           ` Suzuki K Poulose
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 04/43] arm64: RME: Add wrappers for RMI calls Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 05/43] arm64: RME: Check for RME support at KVM init Steven Price
2025-09-03 11:15   ` Gavin Shan
2025-09-15 10:55     ` Steven Price
2025-10-01 11:05   ` Marc Zyngier
2025-10-01 13:20     ` Steven Price
2025-10-01 13:35       ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2025-10-01 15:34         ` Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 06/43] arm64: RME: Define the user ABI Steven Price
2025-10-01 12:28   ` Marc Zyngier
2025-10-01 14:44     ` Steven Price
2025-10-02  8:46       ` Suzuki K Poulose
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 07/43] arm64: RME: ioctls to create and configure realms Steven Price
2025-10-01 15:36   ` Marc Zyngier
2025-10-02  9:35     ` Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 08/43] kvm: arm64: Don't expose debug capabilities for realm guests Steven Price
2025-10-01 13:11   ` Marc Zyngier
2025-10-01 15:19     ` Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 09/43] KVM: arm64: Allow passing machine type in KVM creation Steven Price
2025-10-01 13:50   ` Marc Zyngier
2025-10-01 15:54     ` Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 10/43] arm64: RME: RTT tear down Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 11/43] arm64: RME: Allocate/free RECs to match vCPUs Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 12/43] KVM: arm64: vgic: Provide helper for number of list registers Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 13/43] arm64: RME: Support for the VGIC in realms Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 14/43] KVM: arm64: Support timers in realm RECs Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 15/43] arm64: RME: Allow VMM to set RIPAS Steven Price
2025-09-03 23:36   ` Gavin Shan
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 16/43] arm64: RME: Handle realm enter/exit Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 17/43] arm64: RME: Handle RMI_EXIT_RIPAS_CHANGE Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 18/43] KVM: arm64: Handle realm MMIO emulation Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 19/43] arm64: RME: Allow populating initial contents Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 20/43] arm64: RME: Runtime faulting of memory Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 21/43] KVM: arm64: Handle realm VCPU load Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 22/43] KVM: arm64: Validate register access for a Realm VM Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 23/43] KVM: arm64: Handle Realm PSCI requests Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 24/43] KVM: arm64: WARN on injected undef exceptions Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 25/43] arm64: Don't expose stolen time for realm guests Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 26/43] arm64: RME: allow userspace to inject aborts Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 27/43] arm64: RME: support RSI_HOST_CALL Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 28/43] arm64: RME: Allow checking SVE on VM instance Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 29/43] arm64: RME: Always use 4k pages for realms Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 30/43] arm64: RME: Prevent Device mappings for Realms Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 31/43] arm_pmu: Provide a mechanism for disabling the physical IRQ Steven Price
2025-09-22  0:03   ` Gavin Shan
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 32/43] arm64: RME: Enable PMU support with a realm guest Steven Price
2025-09-22  0:03   ` Gavin Shan
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 33/43] arm64: RME: Hide KVM_CAP_READONLY_MEM for realm guests Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 34/43] arm64: RME: Propagate number of breakpoints and watchpoints to userspace Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 35/43] arm64: RME: Set breakpoint parameters through SET_ONE_REG Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 36/43] arm64: RME: Initialize PMCR.N with number counter supported by RMM Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 37/43] arm64: RME: Propagate max SVE vector length from RMM Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 38/43] arm64: RME: Configure max SVE vector length for a Realm Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:55 ` [PATCH v10 39/43] arm64: RME: Provide register list for unfinalized RME RECs Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:56 ` [PATCH v10 40/43] arm64: RME: Provide accurate register list Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:56 ` [PATCH v10 41/43] KVM: arm64: Expose support for private memory Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:56 ` [PATCH v10 42/43] KVM: arm64: Expose KVM_ARM_VCPU_REC to user space Steven Price
2025-08-20 14:56 ` [PATCH v10 43/43] KVM: arm64: Allow activating realms Steven Price
2025-09-04  0:46 ` [PATCH v10 00/43] arm64: Support for Arm CCA in KVM Gavin Shan
2025-09-15 10:55   ` Steven Price
2025-09-24  2:34 ` Emi Kisanuki (Fujitsu)
2025-09-26  9:10   ` Steven Price
2025-10-17 14:55 ` [PATCH v11 00/42] " Steven Price

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