From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=3.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CC6C3A5A5 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 09:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2080922CF7 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 09:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lists.infradead.org header.i=@lists.infradead.org header.b="UnnGITYJ" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 2080922CF7 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=kernel.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-arm-kernel-bounces+infradead-linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.infradead.org; s=bombadil.20170209; h=Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Cc:List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Post: List-Archive:List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To: Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: List-Owner; bh=txrb6+Blic6V4UrLS5bVSUpc0xwoxHwY6HGP/ytHOaM=; b=UnnGITYJigt5/8 BgfyCVLVYcRob0M+EJZMrJHvFfe+Qygetkq+n1GLvlAtcoA0H683UsQBTfTnGKnnZp84MxgPp4Zpn kW4ZTUY1GU6OBmoN9FGATba/8owjnUd8wKYO30xrSni2LR3yFQktQRv6OynrJY63C+1PtQF09CzEJ IVs12dYhcITpuNrp8mVlVxrEMGFPDfaiJQiYGaJwllQOzdkh7BOTiXti89nK9ZkzJ99C2H4M7d0up RQp9XqPX0opgm4g2H4fSCVdH03AWI4h11Hug0uBen+X0Ju8c0m3PglsAArAFFW5eI/9lKlMBHGR6D rrA+eYHpG5sqxiRHWFjQ==; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=bombadil.infradead.org) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1i5nrz-00011G-0F; Thu, 05 Sep 2019 09:15:59 +0000 Received: from foss.arm.com ([217.140.110.172]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1i5nru-00010Z-JV for linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2019 09:15:57 +0000 Received: from usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com (unknown [10.121.207.14]) by usa-sjc-mx-foss1.foss.arm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DE9360; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 02:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from big-swifty.misterjones.org (unknown [10.1.27.38]) by usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1612E3F67D; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 02:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2019 10:15:49 +0100 Message-ID: <86k1anrtmi.wl-maz@kernel.org> From: Marc Zyngier To: Peter Maydell Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] KVM: inject data abort if instruction cannot be decoded In-Reply-To: References: <20190904180736.29009-1-xypron.glpk@gmx.de> <86r24vrwyh.wl-maz@kernel.org> <86mufjrup7.wl-maz@kernel.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?B?R29qxY0=?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/26 (aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Organization: Approximate MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20190905_021556_585475_963C6798 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 24.09 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: =?UTF-8?B?IkRhbmllbCBQIC4gQmVycmFuZ8OpIg==?= , Suzuki K Pouloze , Heinrich Schuchardt , Julien Thierry , lkml - Kernel Mailing List , James Morse , Stefan Hajnoczi , kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, arm-mail-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+infradead-linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On Thu, 05 Sep 2019 09:56:44 +0100, Peter Maydell wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 09:52, Marc Zyngier wrote: > > > > On Thu, 05 Sep 2019 09:16:54 +0100, > > Peter Maydell wrote: > > > This is true, but the problem is that barfing out to userspace > > > makes it harder to debug the guest because it means that > > > the VM is immediately destroyed, whereas AIUI if we > > > inject some kind of exception then (assuming you're set up > > > to do kernel-debug via gdbstub) you can actually examine > > > the offending guest code with a debugger because at least > > > your VM is still around to inspect... > > > > To Christoffer's point, I find the benefit a bit dubious. Yes, you get > > an exception, but the instruction that caused it may be completely > > legal (store with post-increment, for example), leading to an even > > more puzzled developer (that exception should never have been > > delivered the first place). > > Right, but the combination of "host kernel prints a message > about an unsupported load/store insn" and "within-guest debug > dump/stack trace/etc" is much more useful than just having > "host kernel prints message" and "QEMU exits"; and it requires > about 3 lines of code change... Which is wrong, and creates a new behaviour that isn't specified anywhere. > > > I'm far more in favour of dumping the state of the access in the run > > structure (much like we do for a MMIO access) and let userspace do > > something about it (such as dumping information on the console or > > breaking). It could even inject an exception *if* the user has asked > > for it. > > ...whereas this requires agreement on a kernel-userspace API, > larger changes in the kernel, somebody to implement the userspace > side of things, and the user to update both the kernel and QEMU. > It's hard for me to see that the benefit here over the 3-line > approach really outweighs the extra effort needed. 3 lines that already require the host kernel to be updated, and create a legacy that we'll never be able to get rid of. > In practice saying "we should do this" is saying "we're going to do > nothing", based on the historical record. Thanks for the vote of confidence... M. -- Jazz is not dead, it just smells funny. _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel