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From: D Scott Phillips <scott@os.amperecomputing.com>
To: Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>
Cc: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	James Clark <james.clark@linaro.org>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@arm.com>,
	Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"Rob Herring (Arm)" <robh@kernel.org>,
	Shameer Kolothum <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>,
	Shiqi Liu <shiqiliu@hust.edu.cn>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Yicong Yang <yangyicong@hisilicon.com>,
	kvmarm@lists.linux.dev, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm64: errata: Work around AmpereOne's erratum AC04_CPU_23
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 16:05:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86plhbyafk.fsf@scott-ph-mail.amperecomputing.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z_753eQ29wP7OQlg@linux.dev>

Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev> writes:

> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 03:13:43PM -0700, D Scott Phillips wrote:
>> > At least from your erratum description it isn't clear to me that this
>> > eliminates the problem and only narrows the window of opportunity.
>> > Couldn't the implementation speculatively fetch translations with an
>> > unsynchronized HCR up to the ISB? Do we know what translation regimes
>> > are affected by the erratum?
>> 
>> Hi Oliver, I got some clarification from the core folks. The issue
>> affects the data side of the core only, not the instruction side.  I'll
>> update my description to include that.
>> 
>> Speculation after the `msr hcr_el2` couldn't launch a problem
>> translation when the `msr` is followed by an `isb` like this.
>
> Thanks, agree that the subsequent ISB protects against speculative
> behavior relating to the instruction stream. To be absolutely certain,
> there's no risk of, say, a TLB prefetcher pulling in a problematic
> translation in this window? IOW, there's no behavior that meets the ARM
> ARM definition of a Speculative operation that can lead to a corrupted
> translation.

Yes, that's right, it's just translations from load/store instructions,
and the DSB before closes the window where earlier instructions can get
corrupted, and then the ISB after prevents the window for corruption
from later instructions from overlapping with the write to HCR.

> Sorry to hassle about these issues but they're helpful for maintaining
> the workaround in the future. If you can fold all the extra details into
> the patch for v2 that'd be great.

No worries, and sorry to not have the description more clear
originally. I'll include a more complete description in the next
version.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-16 23:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-15 15:47 [PATCH 1/2] arm64: errata: Work around AmpereOne's erratum AC03_CPU_36 D Scott Phillips
2025-04-15 15:47 ` [PATCH 2/2] arm64: errata: Work around AmpereOne's erratum AC04_CPU_23 D Scott Phillips
2025-04-15 17:06   ` Oliver Upton
2025-04-15 22:13     ` D Scott Phillips
2025-04-16  0:29       ` Oliver Upton
2025-04-16 23:05         ` D Scott Phillips [this message]
2025-04-16  7:11       ` Marc Zyngier
2025-04-16 23:06         ` D Scott Phillips
2025-04-15 18:38   ` Marc Zyngier
2025-04-15 17:12 ` [PATCH 1/2] arm64: errata: Work around AmpereOne's erratum AC03_CPU_36 Oliver Upton
2025-04-15 17:30   ` D Scott Phillips
2025-04-15 18:12     ` Oliver Upton
2025-04-15 18:17       ` D Scott Phillips
2025-04-16  7:19 ` Marc Zyngier
2025-04-16 23:14   ` D Scott Phillips
2025-04-25  2:02   ` D Scott Phillips
2025-04-27 12:21     ` Marc Zyngier
2025-04-28 16:35       ` D Scott Phillips

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