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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: salil.mehta@opnsrc.net
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] KVM: arm64: vgic-v3: Cache ICC_CTLR_EL1 and allow lockless read when ready
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2025 14:48:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86v7koxk1z.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251008201955.3919537-1-salil.mehta@opnsrc.net>

On Wed, 08 Oct 2025 21:19:55 +0100,
salil.mehta@opnsrc.net wrote:
> 
> From: Salil Mehta <salil.mehta@huawei.com>
> 
> [A rough illustration of the problem and the probable solution]
> 
> Userspace reads of ICC_CTLR_EL1 via KVM device attributes currently takes a slow
> path that may acquire all vCPU locks. Under workloads that exercise userspace
> PSCI CPU_ON flows or frequent vCPU resets, this can cause vCPU lock contention
> in KVM and, in the worst cases, -EBUSY returns to userspace.
> 
> When PSCI CPU_ON and CPU_OFF calls are handled entirely in KVM, these operations
> are executed under KVM vCPU locks in the host kernel (EL1) and appear atomic to
> other vCPU threads. In this context, system register accesses are serialized
> under KVM vCPU locks, ensuring atomicity with respect to other vCPUs. After
> SMCCC filtering was introduced, PSCI CPU_ON and CPU_OFF calls can now exit to
> userspace (QEMU). During the handling of PSCI CPU_ON call in userspace, a
> cpu_reset() is exerted which reads ICC_CTLR_EL1 through KVM device attribute
> IOCTLs. To avoid transient inconsistency and -EBUSY errors, QEMU is forced to
> pause all vCPUs before issuing these IOCTLs.

I'm going to repeat in public what I already said in private.

Why does QEMU need to know this? I don't see how this is related to
PSCI, and outside of save/restore, there is no reason why QEMU should
poke at this. If QEMU needs fixing, please fix QEMU.

Honestly, I don't see why the kernel should even care about this, and
I have no intention of adopting anything of the sort for something
that has all the hallmarks of a userspace bug.

	M.

-- 
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-09 13:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-08 20:19 [RFC PATCH] KVM: arm64: vgic-v3: Cache ICC_CTLR_EL1 and allow lockless read when ready salil.mehta
2025-10-09 13:48 ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2025-10-13  8:42   ` Peter Maydell
2025-10-13 10:54     ` Marc Zyngier
2025-10-13 16:48       ` Peter Maydell
2025-10-14  3:02         ` Salil Mehta
2025-10-14  9:31           ` Peter Maydell
2025-10-14  9:50             ` Salil Mehta
2025-10-14  7:44         ` Marc Zyngier
2025-10-14  9:33           ` Peter Maydell
2025-10-14 10:24           ` Salil Mehta
2025-10-13 15:48   ` Salil Mehta

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