From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Wei-Lin Chang <weilin.chang@arm.com>
Cc: Wang Han <wanghan@linux.alibaba.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, oupton@kernel.org,
tabba@google.com, joey.gouly@arm.com, seiden@linux.ibm.com,
suzuki.poulose@arm.com, catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org,
ljs@kernel.org, itaru.kitayama@fujitsu.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/6] KVM: arm64: nv: Implement nested stage-2 reverse map (new data structure)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2026 08:49:14 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <875x0l5udh.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <wsnf276xrun3g4hjr3t6alprapctg5z4kpj422v3hujqdjnrsa@swq4blkqvvj5>
On Thu, 03 Sep 2026 14:28:16 +0100,
Wei-Lin Chang <weilin.chang@arm.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 03, 2026 at 08:43:35AM +0100, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> > On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 17:35:00 +0100,
> > Wang Han <wanghan@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Wei-Lin,
> > >
> > > I tested this series on a Yitian 710 system with an ARM Neoverse-N2 CPU
> > > (128 CPUs, 2 NUMA nodes).
> > >
> > > Test environment
> > > ----------------
> > >
> > > L0 kernel: Linux v7.2-rc6
> > > L1 guest: Ubuntu 26.04 LTS, kernel 7.0.0-27-generic (aarch64)
> > > QEMU: 10.2.3
> > >
> > > L0 NUMA balancing was enabled (`/proc/sys/kernel/numa_balancing=1`).
> > > The host was booted with `kvm_arm.mode=nested`.
> > >
> > > This series fixes a functional hang that is exposed when NUMA balancing is
> > > enabled. The previous nested stage-2 unmap path is too slow for this
> > > workload, making the performance problem user-visible: NUMA balancing can
> > > leave the L1 guest unable to make progress and eventually hang during boot.
> > >
> > > The L1 was started with 8 vCPUs and 32 GiB of RAM using:
> > >
> > > qemu-system-aarch64 -smp 8 -m 32G \
> > > -machine virt,accel=kvm,gic-version=3,virtualization=on \
> > > -cpu host -nographic -enable-kvm \
> > > -drive if=pflash,format=raw,readonly=on,file=pflash0_bak.img \
> > > -drive if=pflash,format=raw,file=pflash1_bak.img \
> > > -drive file=./ubuntu-vm.qcow2,format=qcow2,if=virtio,cache=none,aio=native \
> > > -nic user,model=virtio-net-pci,hostfwd=tcp::11234-:22 \
> > > -serial mon:stdio
> > >
> >
> > Puzzling. If you are only running an L1 in VHE mode, there is no
> > shadow S2, and therefore nothing to unmap. For shadow S2s to be built
> > and affect the MMU notifiers, you need to run an L2.
>
> I was thinking the same at first, but realized even with L1 in VHE mode
> there is a small period of time where L1 runs in its EL1 during boot, so
> one nested MMU will become valid for each vCPU. That causes
> kvm_nested_s2_unmap() to iterate through the entire IPA space 8 times
> (-smp 8).
It should be one nested MMU for the whole VM, not one per vcpu.
That's assuming they share the same VMID+VTCR.
> What I am curious about is whether one single notifier unmap is enough
> to hang L1, or were there multiple notifier unmaps.
>
> QEMU with -machine virt uses 40 IPA bits only, unmapping that takes:
> 1024 (4KB pages, unmapping 1GB per iteration)
> 32768 (16KB pages, unmapping 32MB per iteration)
> 2048 (64KB pages, unmapping 512MB per iteration)
> iterations for each page size. There aren't many mappings in each
> iteration too. Does this really take that long on real hardware (even if
> this must be done 8 times)?
This should be close to being at zero cost, so something else is
amiss.
Could you please have a look?
M.
--
Jazz isn't dead. It just smells funny.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-04 7:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-10 20:50 [PATCH v5 0/6] KVM: arm64: nv: Implement nested stage-2 reverse map (new data structure) Wei-Lin Chang
2026-08-10 20:50 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] KVM: arm64: Use a variable for the canonical IPA in kvm_s2_fault_map() Wei-Lin Chang
2026-08-10 20:50 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] KVM: arm64: nv: Introduce guest stage-2 tracking structures Wei-Lin Chang
2026-08-14 1:04 ` Itaru Kitayama
2026-08-14 10:42 ` Wei-Lin Chang
2026-08-16 22:01 ` Itaru Kitayama
2026-08-10 20:50 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] KVM: arm64: nv: Track guest stage-2 mapping creation Wei-Lin Chang
2026-08-10 20:50 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] KVM: arm64: nv: Track guest stage-2 mapping removal Wei-Lin Chang
2026-08-10 20:50 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] KVM: arm64: nv: Avoid full shadow stage-2 unmap Wei-Lin Chang
2026-08-10 20:50 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] KVM: arm64: Refactor kvm_unmap_gfn_range() with common variables Wei-Lin Chang
2026-08-12 2:12 ` [PATCH v5 0/6] KVM: arm64: nv: Implement nested stage-2 reverse map (new data structure) Itaru Kitayama
2026-09-02 16:35 ` Wang Han
2026-09-03 7:43 ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-03 13:28 ` Wei-Lin Chang
2026-09-04 7:01 ` Shuai Xue
2026-09-04 7:54 ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-04 7:49 ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2026-09-04 11:37 ` Wei-Lin Chang
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