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From: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>
To: "Christoph Lameter (Ampere)" <cl@gentwo.org>
Cc: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 01/11] cpuidle/poll_state: poll via smp_cond_load_relaxed()
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 00:06:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87frowr0fo.fsf@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2c232dc6-6a13-e34b-bdcc-691c966796d4@gentwo.org>


Christoph Lameter (Ampere) <cl@gentwo.org> writes:

> On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, Ankur Arora wrote:
>
>> > Alternatively, if we get an IPI anyway, we can avoid smp_cond_load() and
>> > rely on need_resched() and some new delay/cpu_relax() API that waits for
>> > a timeout or an IPI, whichever comes first. E.g. cpu_relax_timeout()
>> > which on arm64 it's just a simplified version of __delay() without the
>> > 'while' loops.
>>
>> AFAICT when polling (which we are since poll_idle() calls
>> current_set_polling_and_test()), the scheduler will elide the IPI
>> by remotely setting the need-resched bit via set_nr_if_polling().
>
> The scheduler runs on multiple cores. The core on which we are
> running this code puts the core into a wait state so the scheduler does
> not run on this core at all during the wait period.

Yes.

> The other cores may run scheduler functions and set the need_resched bit
> for the core where we are currently waiting.

Yes.

> The other core will wake our core up by sending an IPI. The IPI will
> invoke a scheduler function on our core and the WFE will continue.

Why? The target core is not sleeping. It is *polling* on a memory
address (on arm64, via LDXR; WFE). Ergo an IPI is not needed to tell
it that a need-resched bit is set.

>> Once we stop polling then the scheduler should take the IPI path
>> because call_function_single_prep_ipi() will fail.
>
> The IPI stops the polling. IPI is an interrupt.

Yes an IPI is an interrupt. And, since the target is polling there's
no need for an interrupt to inform it that a memory address on which
it is polling has changed.

resched_curr() is a good example. It only sends the resched IPI if the
target is not polling.

resched_curr() {
         ...
        if (set_nr_and_not_polling(curr))
                smp_send_reschedule(cpu);
        else
                trace_sched_wake_idle_without_ipi(cpu);
}

--
ankur


  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-16  7:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-25 23:24 [PATCH v8 00/11] Enable haltpoll on arm64 Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 01/11] cpuidle/poll_state: poll via smp_cond_load_relaxed() Ankur Arora
2024-10-15 12:04   ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-15 16:42     ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-15 16:50       ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-15 17:17         ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-15 17:40           ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-15 21:53             ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-15 22:28               ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-16  7:06                 ` Ankur Arora [this message]
2024-10-17 16:54                   ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-17 18:36                     ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-15 22:40               ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-16  9:54                 ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-17 16:56                   ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-17 18:15                     ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-17 19:34                       ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-15 21:32     ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-16  6:20       ` maobibo
2024-10-16 10:06       ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-16 15:13     ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-10-16 17:04       ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-16 18:04         ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-10-17 14:01       ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-17 22:47         ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-18 11:05           ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-18 19:00             ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-21 12:02               ` Catalin Marinas
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 02/11] cpuidle: rename ARCH_HAS_CPU_RELAX to ARCH_HAS_OPTIMIZED_POLL Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 03/11] Kconfig: move ARCH_HAS_OPTIMIZED_POLL to arch/Kconfig Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 04/11] cpuidle-haltpoll: define arch_haltpoll_want() Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 05/11] governors/haltpoll: drop kvm_para_available() check Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 06/11] cpuidle-haltpoll: condition on ARCH_CPUIDLE_HALTPOLL Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 07/11] arm64: define TIF_POLLING_NRFLAG Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 08/11] arm64: idle: export arch_cpu_idle Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 09/11] arm64: select ARCH_HAS_OPTIMIZED_POLL Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 10/11] cpuidle/poll_state: limit POLL_IDLE_RELAX_COUNT on arm64 Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 11/11] arm64: support cpuidle-haltpoll Ankur Arora
2024-10-02 22:42   ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-10-03  3:29     ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-16 15:13   ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-10-09  2:37 ` [PATCH v8 00/11] Enable haltpoll on arm64 zhenglifeng (A)
2024-10-15  1:53   ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-14 22:54 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-15 12:36 ` Marc Zyngier
2024-10-16 21:55   ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-17  8:19     ` Marc Zyngier
2024-10-17 18:35       ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-22 22:01         ` Ankur Arora
2024-11-05 18:30 ` Haris Okanovic
2024-11-05 18:30   ` [PATCH 1/5] asm-generic: add smp_vcond_load_relaxed() Haris Okanovic
2024-11-05 19:36     ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-11-06 17:06       ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-06 11:08     ` Catalin Marinas
2024-11-06 18:13       ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-06 19:55         ` Catalin Marinas
2024-11-06 20:31           ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-06 11:39     ` Will Deacon
2024-11-06 17:18       ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-05 18:30   ` [PATCH 2/5] arm64: add __READ_ONCE_EX() Haris Okanovic
2024-11-05 19:39     ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-11-06 17:37       ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-06 11:43     ` Will Deacon
2024-11-06 17:09       ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-09  9:49     ` David Laight
2024-11-05 18:30   ` [PATCH 3/5] arm64: refactor delay() to enable polling for value Haris Okanovic
2024-11-05 19:42     ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-11-06 17:42       ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-06  9:18     ` Catalin Marinas
2024-11-06 17:38       ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-05 18:30   ` [PATCH 4/5] arm64: add smp_vcond_load_relaxed() Haris Okanovic
2024-11-05 18:30   ` [PATCH 5/5] cpuidle: implement poll_idle() using smp_vcond_load_relaxed() Haris Okanovic
2024-11-05 19:45     ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-11-05 18:49   ` [PATCH v8 00/11] Enable haltpoll on arm64 Ankur Arora

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