From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 07/11] signal/arm64: Document conflicts with SI_USER and SIGFPE, SIGTRAP, SIGBUS
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:28:51 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87shavt08c.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180117171425.GQ17719@n2100.armlinux.org.uk> (Russell King's message of "Wed, 17 Jan 2018 17:14:25 +0000")
Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk> writes:
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:45:10AM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk> writes:
>> >From your description there still seems to be an association with an
>> instruction so I don't know if I would really call the signal
>> asynchronous. It sounds like the exception is delayed and not
>> asynchronous.
>
> Traps can only be passed from ARM coprocessors by a coprocessor refusing
> to execute an instruction. That's what happens in this case - the VFP
> gets offered an instruction to execute. It accepts it, and the CPU
> continues, leaving the VFP to execute its instruction independently. If
> this instruction generates an error, then nothing happens at this point.
>
> That error remains pending until the CPU offers the coprocessor the next
> VFP instruction, which it refuses. That causes an undefined instruction
> exception, and we trap into the kernel VFP code which reads the VFP
> status and works out what needs to be done.
>
> What this means is that if you execute a VFP instruction, wait 10 minutes
> and then execute another VFP instruction, if the first VFP instruction
> raised an exception, you'll get to hear about it 10 minutes later.
>
> You can use whatever weasel words you want to describe that situation,
> my choice is "asynchronous", your choice is "delayed". However, it is
> clearly not "synchronous", and arguing that we should report something
> synchronously that is not reported to _us_ synchronously (where
> synchronous means "at the same time") is IMHO daft.
>
> So, let's take an example:
>
> installs SIGFPE handler
> ..fp instructions.. one of which raises an exception
> returns to main loop
> main loop blocks all signals while it sets stuff up
> calls ppoll()
>
> In the synchronous SIGFPE delivery case, the SIGFPE handler will be
> called when the exception is generated in the FP code, and delivered
> at that time. The fact that the main loop blocks all signals happens
> later, so the users handler gets called as one expects.
>
> In the VFP case, however, the FP instructions towards the end may not
> end up causing the exception to be signalled until sometime later,
> and as I've already explained, that may be the result of a C library
> function accessing the VFP registers. This could well end up trying
> to deliver the SIGFPE while signals are blocked, and we get
> drastically different behaviour if force_sig_info() is used.
>
> In the VFP case, if force_sig_info() is used, the program gets killed
> at this point. In the non-VFP case, the program's signal handler was
> called.
>
> Using send_sig_info() results in the already delayed or asynchronous
> signal being held off until ppoll() drops the blocking, at which point
> the signal is delivered, the program handles it in its handler, and
> the program continues to run.
>
> So
> 1. non-VFP case, program doesn't get killed but gets the opportunity
> to handle the signal.
> 2. VFP case with send_sig_info, program doesn't get killed but gets
> the opportunity to handle the signal.
> 3. VFP case with force_sig_info, the program gets killed and dumps
> core.
>
> Which one of these results in a big change of behaviour in your
> opinion?
I want to apologize for the disagreement. In part of my due diligence
for cleaning up the signal handling I am introducing some helpers for
generating siginfo. I decided to ask which kind of helpers should I
introduce.
Very basic generic helpers that just wrap the current functionality
today. Or some slightly smarter helpers that solve some other problems
as well. After consideration I am shelving the smarter helpers for now,
as the need to introduce the helpers universally is strong, so that I
can guarantee struct siginfo is always fully initialized before being
passed to userspace.
Given the choice between force_sig_info and send_sig_info I agree that
send_sig_info is the right choice for signals that can be ignored.
The problem I was focusing on is the problem where force_sig_info and
send_sig_info can be tricked into causing the instruction pointer to
point to the wrong instruction (even when the signal is not blocked),
due to the delivery of another signal.
So I was wondering if in practice we could introduce a singal delivery
function that would operation synchronously and would solve the
instruction pointer problem.
It looks to me like this location on arm where we are using
send_sig_info is a clear candidate for such a function as long as it has
a mode where you can say deliverly the signal like send_sig_info if the
signal is blocked.
Still like I said such a smarter helper is not the priority and I don't
intend any semantic changes when I introduce helpers into the signal
deliver path. Just fewer places initializing struct siginfo.
Eric
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Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2018-01-12 0:59 ` [PATCH 07/11] signal/arm64: Document conflicts with SI_USER and SIGFPE, SIGTRAP, SIGBUS Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-15 16:30 ` Dave Martin
2018-01-15 17:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <20180116172407.GA22781@e103592.cambridge.arm.com>
[not found] ` <871sipl9p9.fsf@xmission.com>
2018-01-17 11:46 ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 11:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-17 12:15 ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 12:37 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-17 15:37 ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 15:49 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-17 16:11 ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 16:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-17 17:14 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-24 21:28 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2018-01-17 17:17 ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 17:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-17 17:39 ` Dave Martin
2018-01-15 19:30 ` James Morse
2018-01-12 0:59 ` [PATCH 08/11] signal/arm: Document conflicts with SI_USER and SIGFPE Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-15 17:49 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-15 20:12 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-19 12:05 ` Dave Martin
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