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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Leonardo Bras <leo.bras@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>, Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>,
	Oliver Upton <oupton@kernel.org>,
	Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Yao Yuan <yaoyuan@linux.alibaba.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	kvmarm@lists.linux.dev, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v19 04/14] KVM: arm64: Ensure GCS memory effects are visible
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2026 12:32:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y0e1ni20.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3cc4cccd-1a4a-487e-8ac6-9bbbc9713e58@sirena.org.uk>

On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 19:08:01 +0100,
Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2026 at 06:23:11PM +0100, Leonardo Bras wrote:
> 
> > You state that we do _not_ use GCS in the hypervisor, nor in the host.
> > I understand that we GCSB() when we exit the vcpu context, but why would we 
> > need to GCSB() before getting back in?
> 
> > If cpus will GCSB() on guest_exit, and host/hyp does not use GCS, there 
> > should be no GCS pending operation at the entry point.
> 
> That's there to ensure that updates written by another PE are seen,
> following the same pattern as DDI0487 M.c K10.6.5 example K10-8 (or the
> prior migration between PEs example, that has barriers due to the stack
> switch operations rather than as distinct instructions).

This makes no sense at all. The guest itself is in charge of its own
coherency.

From the PoV of the hypervisor, this only needs to be guaranteed when
a vcpu is migrated from one physical CPU to another, as this is
invisible to the guest.

Given that this can only happen on in the interval between vcpu_put()
and vcpu_load(), the sole location where this could make any sense is
at vcpu_put() time. And even that can be relaxed in the NV case, where
we transition between ELs rather than CPUs.

Hammering things in the run loop is both expensive and pointless.

	M.

-- 
Jazz isn't dead. It just smells funny.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-20 11:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-12 19:11 [PATCH v19 00/14] KVM: arm64: Provide guest support for GCS Mark Brown
2026-08-12 19:12 ` [PATCH v19 01/14] arm64/gcs: Ensure FGTs for EL1 GCS instructions are disabled Mark Brown
2026-08-19 13:41   ` Leonardo Bras
2026-08-19 14:21     ` Mark Brown
2026-08-19 16:41       ` Leonardo Bras
2026-08-12 19:12 ` [PATCH v19 02/14] KVM: arm64: Fix FGT mapping for HFGITR_EL2.nGCSEPP Mark Brown
2026-08-19 13:55   ` Leonardo Bras
2026-08-19 16:42     ` Leonardo Bras
2026-08-12 19:12 ` [PATCH v19 03/14] KVM: arm64: Manage GCS access and registers for guests Mark Brown
2026-08-19 16:32   ` Leonardo Bras
2026-08-19 16:46     ` Mark Brown
2026-08-20 10:16       ` Leonardo Bras
2026-08-12 19:12 ` [PATCH v19 04/14] KVM: arm64: Ensure GCS memory effects are visible Mark Brown
2026-08-19 17:23   ` Leonardo Bras
2026-08-19 18:08     ` Mark Brown
2026-08-20 11:32       ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2026-08-12 19:12 ` [PATCH v19 05/14] KVM: arm64: Set PSTATE.EXLOCK when entering an exception Mark Brown
2026-08-12 19:12 ` [PATCH v19 06/14] KVM: arm64: Validate GCS exception lock when emulating ERET Mark Brown
2026-08-12 19:12 ` [PATCH v19 07/14] KVM: arm64: Forward GCS exceptions to nested guests Mark Brown
2026-08-12 19:12 ` [PATCH v19 08/14] KVM: arm64: Enforce EXLOCK for SPSR and ELR Mark Brown
2026-08-12 19:12 ` [PATCH v19 09/14] KVM: arm64: Allow GCS to be enabled for guests Mark Brown
2026-08-12 19:12 ` [PATCH v19 10/14] KVM: selftests: arm64: Add GCS registers to get-reg-list Mark Brown
2026-08-12 19:12 ` [PATCH v19 11/14] KVM: selftests: arm64: Add GCS to set_id_regs Mark Brown
2026-08-12 19:12 ` [PATCH v19 12/14] KVM: selftests: arm64: Only restore SPSR_EL1 and ELR_EL1 if they change Mark Brown
2026-08-12 19:12 ` [PATCH v19 13/14] tools: Synchronise the kernel esr.h Mark Brown
2026-08-12 19:12 ` [PATCH v19 14/14] KVM: selftests: arm64: Add GCS EXLOCK exception emulation test Mark Brown

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