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Mon, 31 Oct 2022 11:36:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Punit Agrawal To: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> Cc: Punit Agrawal , Yicong Yang , yangyicong@hisilicon.com, corbet@lwn.net, peterz@infradead.org, arnd@arndb.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, darren@os.amperecomputing.com, huzhanyuan@oppo.com, lipeifeng@oppo.com, zhangshiming@oppo.com, guojian@oppo.com, realmz6@gmail.com, linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, openrisc@lists.librecores.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, x86@kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com, xhao@linux.alibaba.com, prime.zeng@hisilicon.com, Barry Song , Nadav Amit , Mel Gorman , catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Anshuman Khandual Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] arm64: support batched/deferred tlb shootdown during page reclamation References: <20220921084302.43631-1-yangyicong@huawei.com> <20220921084302.43631-3-yangyicong@huawei.com> <168eac93-a6ee-0b2e-12bb-4222eff24561@arm.com> <8e391962-4e3a-5a56-64b4-78e8637e3b8c@huawei.com> <87o7tx5oyx.fsf@stealth> <87bkpw5bzm.fsf@stealth> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 18:36:51 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Barry Song's message of "Sat, 29 Oct 2022 10:40:11 +1300") Message-ID: <87zgdb4z7g.fsf@stealth> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20221031_113656_960675_2CFDE0D5 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 28.81 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> writes: > On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 2:11 AM Punit Agrawal > wrote: >> >> Yicong Yang writes: >> >> > On 2022/10/27 22:19, Punit Agrawal wrote: >> >> >> >> [ Apologies for chiming in late in the conversation ] >> >> >> >> Anshuman Khandual writes: >> >> >> >>> On 9/28/22 05:53, Barry Song wrote: >> >>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 10:15 PM Yicong Yang wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 2022/9/27 14:16, Anshuman Khandual wrote: >> >>>>>> [...] >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 9/21/22 14:13, Yicong Yang wrote: >> >>>>>>> +static inline bool arch_tlbbatch_should_defer(struct mm_struct *mm) >> >>>>>>> +{ >> >>>>>>> + /* for small systems with small number of CPUs, TLB shootdown is cheap */ >> >>>>>>> + if (num_online_cpus() <= 4) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> It would be great to have some more inputs from others, whether 4 (which should >> >>>>>> to be codified into a macro e.g ARM64_NR_CPU_DEFERRED_TLB, or something similar) >> >>>>>> is optimal for an wide range of arm64 platforms. >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I have tested it on a 4-cpus and 8-cpus machine. but i have no machine >> >>>> with 5,6,7 >> >>>> cores. >> >>>> I saw improvement on 8-cpus machines and I found 4-cpus machines don't need >> >>>> this patch. >> >>>> >> >>>> so it seems safe to have >> >>>> if (num_online_cpus() < 8) >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Do you prefer this macro to be static or make it configurable through kconfig then >> >>>>> different platforms can make choice based on their own situations? It maybe hard to >> >>>>> test on all the arm64 platforms. >> >>>> >> >>>> Maybe we can have this default enabled on machines with 8 and more cpus and >> >>>> provide a tlbflush_batched = on or off to allow users enable or >> >>>> disable it according >> >>>> to their hardware and products. Similar example: rodata=on or off. >> >>> >> >>> No, sounds bit excessive. Kernel command line options should not be added >> >>> for every possible run time switch options. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Anshuman, Will, Catalin, Andrew, >> >>>> what do you think about this approach? >> >>>> >> >>>> BTW, haoxin mentioned another important user scenarios for tlb bach on arm64: >> >>>> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/393d6318-aa38-01ed-6ad8-f9eac89bf0fc@linux.alibaba.com/ >> >>>> >> >>>> I do believe we need it based on the expensive cost of tlb shootdown in arm64 >> >>>> even by hardware broadcast. >> >>> >> >>> Alright, for now could we enable ARCH_WANT_BATCHED_UNMAP_TLB_FLUSH selectively >> >>> with CONFIG_EXPERT and for num_online_cpus() > 8 ? >> >> >> >> When running the test program in the commit in a VM, I saw benefits from >> >> the patches at all sizes from 2, 4, 8, 32 vcpus. On the test machine, >> >> ptep_clear_flush() went from ~1% in the unpatched version to not showing >> >> up. >> >> >> > >> > Maybe you're booting VM on a server with more than 32 cores and Barry tested >> > on his 4 CPUs embedded platform. I guess a 4 CPU VM is not fully equivalent to >> > a 4 CPU real machine as the tbli and dsb in the VM may influence the host >> > as well. >> >> Yeah, I also wondered about this. >> >> I was able to test on a 6-core RK3399 based system - there the >> ptep_clear_flush() was only 0.10% of the overall execution time. The >> hardware seems to do a pretty good job of keeping the TLB flushing >> overhead low. I found a problem with my measurements (missing volatile). Correcting that increased the overhead somewhat - more below. > RK3399 has Dual-core ARM Cortex-A72 MPCore processor and > Quad-core ARM Cortex-A53 MPCore processor. you are probably > going to see different overhead of ptep_clear_flush() when you > bind the micro-benchmark on different cores. Indeed - binding the code on the A53 shows half the overhead from ptep_clear_flush() compared to the A72. On the A53 - $ perf report --stdio -i perf.vanilla.a53.data | grep ptep_clear_flush 0.63% pageout [kernel.kallsyms] [k] ptep_clear_flush On the A72 $ perf report --stdio -i perf.vanilla.a72.data | grep ptep_clear_flush 1.34% pageout [kernel.kallsyms] [k] ptep_clear_flush [...] _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel