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From: Pavan Kondeti <pavan.kondeti@oss.qualcomm.com>
To: Pavan Kondeti <pavan.kondeti@oss.qualcomm.com>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	kvmarm@lists.linux.dev, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>, Oliver Upton <oupton@kernel.org>,
	Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>,
	Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>,
	Vincent Donnefort <vdonnefort@google.com>,
	Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/30] KVM: arm64: Add support for protected guest memory with pKVM
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 09:45:47 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ad3fff0-578c-4db6-b3d8-00ce4e72e50b@quicinc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <573483a8-7cb7-479f-a96d-67416ef1f6db@quicinc.com>

On Mon, Apr 20, 2026 at 04:56:57PM +0530, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2026 at 11:00:35AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2026 at 01:32:03PM +0530, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
> > > Hi Will,
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Jan 05, 2026 at 03:49:08PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > > 
> > > > Although pKVM has been shipping in Android kernels for a while now,
> > > > protected guest (pVM) support has been somewhat languishing upstream.
> > > > This has partly been because we've been waiting for guest_memfd() but
> > > > also because it hasn't been clear how to expose pVMs to userspace (which
> > > > is necessary for testing) without getting everything in place beforehand.
> > > > This has led to frustration on both sides of the fence [1] and so this
> > > > patch series attempts to get things moving again by exposing pVM
> > > > features in an incremental fashion based on top of anonymous memory,
> > > > which is what we have been using in Android. The big difference between
> > > > this series and the Android implementation is the graceful handling of
> > > > host stage-2 faults arising from accesses made using kernel mappings.
> > > > The hope is that this will unblock pKVM upstreaming efforts while the
> > > > guest_memfd() work continues to evolve.
> > > > 
> > > > Specifically, this patch series implements support for protected guest
> > > > memory with pKVM, where pages are unmapped from the host as they are
> > > > faulted into the guest and can be shared back from the guest using pKVM
> > > > hypercalls. Protected guests are created using a new machine type
> > > > identifier and can be booted to a shell using the kvmtool patches
> > > > available at [2], which finally means that we are able to test the pVM
> > > > logic in pKVM. Since this is an incremental step towards full isolation
> > > > from the host (for example, the CPU register state and DMA accesses are
> > > > not yet isolated), creating a pVM requires a developer Kconfig option to
> > > > be enabled in addition to booting with 'kvm-arm.mode=protected' and
> > > > results in a kernel taint.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Good to see Protected VM support in upstream w/ pKVM.
> > > 
> > > We (Qualcomm) have been trying to resume Gunyah upstreaming [1] efforts 
> > > for some time but the path to re-use guest_memfd is not straight forward as
> > > guest_memfd is tightly coupled with KVM. While the efforts to use it for
> > > pKVM is pending and refactoring to make it use outside KVM is not
> > > happening anytime soon, we plan to send Gunyah series similar to how
> > > this series is dealt with pages lent/donated to the Guest. Please let us
> > > know if you have any suggestions/comments for us.
> > 
> > The major problem I see with this is that the host/hyp interface for
> > handling stage-2 faults is internal to pKVM. The exception is injected
> > back into the host using a funky ESR encoding and the hypercall used
> > to forcefully reclaim the page is not ABI. I have no appetite for
> > standardising these mechanisms (the flexibility is one of pKVM's big
> > advantages) but I also do not want to complicate EL1 fault handling path
> > with hypervisor-specific crap that we have to maintain forever.
> 
> Thanks Will for the feedback. Agree that we don't want to sprinkle Gunyah
> specific checks in fault handling code. Do we need to handle anything
> apart from
> 
> (a) user space access a memory that is lent to the guest. Gunyah will 
> inject Synchronous External Abort and the offending process will be killed.
> 
> (b) For kernel access, we need to unmap the memory at S1 while lending
> it to the guest. Earlier, Elliot attempted this with [1]. I am thinking
> we can leverage from Direct map removal work done for guest_memfd w/o
> really using it :-) . I am hoping [2] can be made available for Gunyah
> module as well.
> 
> For the (b) problem above, pKVM takes a different route in upstream i.e
> pkvm_force_reclaim_guest_page(). I believe this avoids kernel panic at 
> the expense of memory corruption in the guest. correct?

sorry, not memory corruption but returning -EFAULT to VCPU_RUN ioctl
which probably make VMM to kill the VM.

Thanks,
Pavan


      reply	other threads:[~2026-04-21  4:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-05 15:49 [PATCH 00/30] KVM: arm64: Add support for protected guest memory with pKVM Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 01/30] KVM: arm64: Invert KVM_PGTABLE_WALK_HANDLE_FAULT to fix pKVM walkers Will Deacon
2026-01-06 14:33   ` Quentin Perret
2026-01-10 10:22   ` (subset) " Oliver Upton
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 02/30] KVM: arm64: Remove redundant 'pgt' pointer checks from MMU notifiers Will Deacon
2026-01-06 14:32   ` Quentin Perret
2026-01-09 14:31     ` Will Deacon
2026-01-09 17:31       ` Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 03/30] KVM: arm64: Rename __pkvm_pgtable_stage2_unmap() Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 04/30] KVM: arm64: Don't advertise unsupported features for protected guests Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 05/30] KVM: arm64: Expose self-hosted debug regs as RAZ/WI " Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 06/30] KVM: arm64: Remove pointless is_protected_kvm_enabled() checks from hyp Will Deacon
2026-01-06 14:40   ` Quentin Perret
2026-01-09 14:23     ` Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 07/30] KVM: arm64: Ignore MMU notifier callbacks for protected VMs Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 08/30] KVM: arm64: Prevent unsupported memslot operations on " Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 09/30] KVM: arm64: Split teardown hypercall into two phases Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 10/30] KVM: arm64: Introduce __pkvm_host_donate_guest() Will Deacon
2026-01-06 14:48   ` Quentin Perret
2026-01-09 14:30     ` Will Deacon
2026-01-09 15:10       ` Quentin Perret
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 11/30] KVM: arm64: Hook up donation hypercall to pkvm_pgtable_stage2_map() Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 12/30] KVM: arm64: Handle aborts from protected VMs Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 13/30] KVM: arm64: Introduce __pkvm_reclaim_dying_guest_page() Will Deacon
2026-01-06 16:26   ` Vincent Donnefort
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 14/30] KVM: arm64: Hook up reclaim hypercall to pkvm_pgtable_stage2_destroy() Will Deacon
2026-01-06 14:59   ` Quentin Perret
2026-01-09 14:35     ` Will Deacon
2026-01-09 14:57       ` Quentin Perret
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 15/30] KVM: arm64: Refactor enter_exception64() Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 16/30] KVM: arm64: Inject SIGSEGV on illegal accesses Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 17/30] KVM: arm64: Generalise kvm_pgtable_stage2_set_owner() Will Deacon
2026-01-06 15:20   ` Quentin Perret
2026-01-09 18:46     ` Will Deacon
2026-01-17  0:03       ` Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 18/30] KVM: arm64: Introduce host_stage2_set_owner_metadata_locked() Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 19/30] KVM: arm64: Annotate guest donations with handle and gfn in host stage-2 Will Deacon
2026-01-06 16:01   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-01-09 14:42     ` Will Deacon
2026-01-12  9:25       ` Fuad Tabba
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 20/30] KVM: arm64: Introduce hypercall to force reclaim of a protected page Will Deacon
2026-01-06 15:44   ` Quentin Perret
2026-01-09 17:47     ` Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 21/30] KVM: arm64: Reclaim faulting page from pKVM in spurious fault handler Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 22/30] KVM: arm64: Return -EFAULT from VCPU_RUN on access to a poisoned pte Will Deacon
2026-01-06 15:54   ` Quentin Perret
2026-01-09 14:57     ` Will Deacon
2026-01-09 15:29       ` Quentin Perret
2026-01-09 17:35         ` Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 23/30] KVM: arm64: Add hvc handler at EL2 for hypercalls from protected VMs Will Deacon
2026-01-06 15:52   ` Vincent Donnefort
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 24/30] KVM: arm64: Implement the MEM_SHARE hypercall for " Will Deacon
2026-01-06 15:45   ` Vincent Donnefort
2026-01-09 15:01     ` Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 25/30] KVM: arm64: Implement the MEM_UNSHARE " Will Deacon
2026-01-06 15:50   ` Vincent Donnefort
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 26/30] KVM: arm64: Allow userspace to create protected VMs when pKVM is enabled Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 27/30] KVM: arm64: Add some initial documentation for pKVM Will Deacon
2026-01-06 15:59   ` Vincent Donnefort
2026-01-09 15:04     ` Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 28/30] KVM: arm64: Extend pKVM page ownership selftests to cover guest donation Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 29/30] KVM: arm64: Register 'selftest_vm' in the VM table Will Deacon
2026-01-05 15:49 ` [PATCH 30/30] KVM: arm64: Extend pKVM page ownership selftests to cover forced reclaim Will Deacon
2026-03-13 15:31 ` [PATCH 00/30] KVM: arm64: Add support for protected guest memory with pKVM Mostafa Saleh
2026-04-20  8:02 ` Pavan Kondeti
2026-04-20 10:00   ` Will Deacon
2026-04-20 11:26     ` Pavan Kondeti
2026-04-21  4:15       ` Pavan Kondeti [this message]

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