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Miller" , Eric Biggers , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org References: <20260712-qce-broken-v2-1-b2dfff47f7f5@gmail.com> <20260721082501.6128-1-bartosz.golaszewski@oss.qualcomm.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Demi Marie Obenour Autocrypt: addr=demiobenour@gmail.com; keydata= xsFNBFp+A0oBEADffj6anl9/BHhUSxGTICeVl2tob7hPDdhHNgPR4C8xlYt5q49yB+l2nipd aq+4Gk6FZfqC825TKl7eRpUjMriwle4r3R0ydSIGcy4M6eb0IcxmuPYfbWpr/si88QKgyGSV Z7GeNW1UnzTdhYHuFlk8dBSmB1fzhEYEk0RcJqg4AKoq6/3/UorR+FaSuVwT7rqzGrTlscnT DlPWgRzrQ3jssesI7sZLm82E3pJSgaUoCdCOlL7MMPCJwI8JpPlBedRpe9tfVyfu3euTPLPx wcV3L/cfWPGSL4PofBtB8NUU6QwYiQ9Hzx4xOyn67zW73/G0Q2vPPRst8LBDqlxLjbtx/WLR 6h3nBc3eyuZ+q62HS1pJ5EvUT1vjyJ1ySrqtUXWQ4XlZyoEFUfpJxJoN0A9HCxmHGVckzTRl 5FMWo8TCniHynNXsBtDQbabt7aNEOaAJdE7to0AH3T/Bvwzcp0ZJtBk0EM6YeMLtotUut7h2 Bkg1b//r6bTBswMBXVJ5H44Qf0+eKeUg7whSC9qpYOzzrm7+0r9F5u3qF8ZTx55TJc2g656C 9a1P1MYVysLvkLvS4H+crmxA/i08Tc1h+x9RRvqba4lSzZ6/Tmt60DPM5Sc4R0nSm9BBff0N m0bSNRS8InXdO1Aq3362QKX2NOwcL5YaStwODNyZUqF7izjK4QARAQABzTxEZW1pIE1hcmll IE9iZW5vdXIgKGxvdmVyIG9mIGNvZGluZykgPGRlbWlvYmVub3VyQGdtYWlsLmNvbT7CwXgE EwECACIFAlp+A0oCGwMGCwkIBwMCBhUIAgkKCwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJELKItV//nCLBhr8Q AK/xrb4wyi71xII2hkFBpT59ObLN+32FQT7R3lbZRjVFjc6yMUjOb1H/hJVxx+yo5gsSj5LS 9AwggioUSrcUKldfA/PKKai2mzTlUDxTcF3vKx6iMXKA6AqwAw4B57ZEJoMM6egm57TV19kz PMc879NV2nc6+elaKl+/kbVeD3qvBuEwsTe2Do3HAAdrfUG/j9erwIk6gha/Hp9yZlCnPTX+ VK+xifQqt8RtMqS5R/S8z0msJMI/ajNU03kFjOpqrYziv6OZLJ5cuKb3bZU5aoaRQRDzkFIR 6aqtFLTohTo20QywXwRa39uFaOT/0YMpNyel0kdOszFOykTEGI2u+kja35g9TkH90kkBTG+a EWttIht0Hy6YFmwjcAxisSakBuHnHuMSOiyRQLu43ej2+mDWgItLZ48Mu0C3IG1seeQDjEYP tqvyZ6bGkf2Vj+L6wLoLLIhRZxQOedqArIk/Sb2SzQYuxN44IDRt+3ZcDqsPppoKcxSyd1Ny 2tpvjYJXlfKmOYLhTWs8nwlAlSHX/c/jz/ywwf7eSvGknToo1Y0VpRtoxMaKW1nvH0OeCSVJ itfRP7YbiRVc2aNqWPCSgtqHAuVraBRbAFLKh9d2rKFB3BmynTUpc1BQLJP8+D5oNyb8Ts4x Xd3iV/uD8JLGJfYZIR7oGWFLP4uZ3tkneDfYzsFNBFp+A0oBEAC9ynZI9LU+uJkMeEJeJyQ/ 8VFkCJQPQZEsIGzOTlPnwvVna0AS86n2Z+rK7R/usYs5iJCZ55/JISWd8xD57ue0eB47bcJv VqGlObI2DEG8TwaW0O0duRhDgzMEL4t1KdRAepIESBEA/iPpI4gfUbVEIEQuqdqQyO4GAe+M kD0Hy5JH/0qgFmbaSegNTdQg5iqYjRZ3ttiswalql1/iSyv1WYeC1OAs+2BLOAT2NEggSiVO txEfgewsQtCWi8H1SoirakIfo45Hz0tk/Ad9ZWh2PvOGt97Ka85o4TLJxgJJqGEnqcFUZnJJ riwoaRIS8N2C8/nEM53jb1sH0gYddMU3QxY7dYNLIUrRKQeNkF30dK7V6JRH7pleRlf+wQcN fRAIUrNlatj9TxwivQrKnC9aIFFHEy/0mAgtrQShcMRmMgVlRoOA5B8RTulRLCmkafvwuhs6 dCxN0GNAORIVVFxjx9Vn7OqYPgwiofZ6SbEl0hgPyWBQvE85klFLZLoj7p+joDY1XNQztmfA rnJ9x+YV4igjWImINAZSlmEcYtd+xy3Li/8oeYDAqrsnrOjb+WvGhCykJk4urBog2LNtcyCj kTs7F+WeXGUo0NDhbd3Z6AyFfqeF7uJ3D5hlpX2nI9no/ugPrrTVoVZAgrrnNz0iZG2DVx46 x913pVKHl5mlYQARAQABwsFfBBgBAgAJBQJafgNKAhsMAAoJELKItV//nCLBwNIP/AiIHE8b oIqReFQyaMzxq6lE4YZCZNj65B/nkDOvodSiwfwjjVVE2V3iEzxMHbgyTCGA67+Bo/d5aQGj gn0TPtsGzelyQHipaUzEyrsceUGWYoKXYyVWKEfyh0cDfnd9diAm3VeNqchtcMpoehETH8fr RHnJdBcjf112PzQSdKC6kqU0Q196c4Vp5HDOQfNiDnTf7gZSj0BraHOByy9LEDCLhQiCmr+2 E0rW4tBtDAn2HkT9uf32ZGqJCn1O+2uVfFhGu6vPE5qkqrbSE8TG+03H8ecU2q50zgHWPdHM OBvy3EhzfAh2VmOSTcRK+tSUe/u3wdLRDPwv/DTzGI36Kgky9MsDC5gpIwNbOJP2G/q1wT1o Gkw4IXfWv2ufWiXqJ+k7HEi2N1sree7Dy9KBCqb+ca1vFhYPDJfhP75I/VnzHVssZ/rYZ9+5 1yDoUABoNdJNSGUYl+Yh9Pw9pE3Kt4EFzUlFZWbE4xKL/NPno+z4J9aWemLLszcYz/u3XnbO vUSQHSrmfOzX3cV4yfmjM5lewgSstoxGyTx2M8enslgdXhPthZlDnTnOT+C+OTsh8+m5tos8 HQjaPM01MKBiAqdPgksm1wu2DrrwUi6ChRVTUBcj6+/9IJ81H2P2gJk3Ls3AVIxIffLoY34E +MYSfkEjBz0E8CLOcAw7JIwAaeBT In-Reply-To: --------------uwrMxsbcaUPR63gc8Mct0hz9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7/22/26 04:33, Bartosz Golaszewski wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 20:29:39 +0200, Demi Marie Obenour > said: >> On 7/21/26 04:24, Bartosz Golaszewski wrote: >>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2026 at 06:18:48PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: >>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2026 at 05:31:31PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour via B4 = Relay wrote: >>>>> From: Demi Marie Obenour >>>>> >>>>> This driver is harmful: >>>>> >>>>> - It is much slower than the CPU [1] [2]. >>>>> - It Has a history of bugs [2] [3]. >>>>> - It does not have exclusive access to the hardware [4], causing ra= ces >>>>> with the secure world. >>>>> - It register its implementations with too low a cra_priority for t= hem >>>>> to be actually used [5]. >>>>> >>>>> Therefore, disable it to ensure that nobody builds it into kernels = they >>>>> intend to ship. >>>>> >>>>> In the future, the driver will be used for processing restricted me= dia >>>>> content. However, the kernel does not currently support this. Sin= ce >>>>> the driver will have future uses, allow building it if COMPILE_TEST= is >>>>> enabled. >>>>> >>>>> [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20250704070322.20692-1-ebiggers@kern= el.org/ >>>>> [2]: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20250615031807.GA81869@sol/ >>>>> [3]: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260706-qce-fix-self-tests-v5-0-86f= 461ff1829@oss.qualcomm.com/ >>>>> [4]: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260629-qcom-qce-cmd-descr-v20-0-56= f67da84c05@oss.qualcomm.com/ >>>>> [5]: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260524204537.GB110177@quark/ >>>>> >>>>> Fixes: ec8f5d8f6f76 ("crypto: qce - Qualcomm crypto engine driver")= >>>>> Signed-off-by: Demi Marie Obenour >>>>> --- >>>>> Changes in v2: >>>>> - Add Fixes: ec8f5d8f6f76 ("crypto: qce - Qualcomm crypto engine dr= iver") >>>>> - Add Cc: stable@vger.kernel.org >>>>> - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260712-qce-broken-v1-1-85= e2bff17871@gmail.com >>>>> --- >>>>> arch/arm/configs/multi_v7_defconfig | 1 - >>>>> arch/arm64/configs/defconfig | 1 - >>>>> drivers/crypto/Kconfig | 6 +++++- >>>>> 3 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) >>>> >>>> Patch applied. Thanks. >>> >>> Hi Herbert, >>> >>> I'd like to ask you to back this patch out. Admittedly I should have = NAKed this >>> under the v1 thread but I thought the discussion we had under the Shi= kra series >>> and the subsequent patch making myself the maintainer of this driver = (note: Demi >>> did not Cc me on this nor the Qcom mailing list at linux-arm-msm) as = well as the >>> pending series[1] fixing the QCE issues was enough to imply we should= not mark >>> it as broken. Please consider applying [1] if the fixes in v6 are cor= rect. >>> >>> Bartosz >>> >>> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260717-qce-fix-self-tests-v6-0-4557= 75fe5f6c@oss.qualcomm.com/ >> >> Is the BAM locking patchset also needed? My understanding is that >> without it, the QCE driver can still produce wrong results due to race= s >> with the TrustZone firmware. Until it is merged and the self-tests >> are fixed, the driver definitely needs to be marked BROKEN. >> >=20 > No, we currently don't ship TZ firmware that could cause such interacti= ons. > The only driver that currently suffers from such races is the NAND driv= er > which races with the modem firmware and it too will use the BAM locking= > feature once it's upstream. However we do plan to support DRM using thi= s IP > and this is when it'll need to account for possible races. IOW: BAM loc= king > is not strictly required to fix the QCE. Thanks for the correction. Will updated firmware alone cause races, or does the kernel need to opt-in to firmware features that can cause them? I want to make sure that a firmware update will not cause the driver to start racing with the secure world. (Nit: DRM usually stands for "Direct Rendering Manager" in Linux.) >> Also, what can the current driver do that cannot be done better using >> software crypto? I understand that you have future plans to add more >> features to the driver, but those are not relevant to this discussion.= >> >=20 > We can offload crypto operations to the QCE saving CPU cycles but more > importantly, the QCE provides HW based isolation which some vendors car= e > about. Would you mind explaining what you mean by "HW based isolation"? While some crypto engines support keys that Linux doesn't have access to, Linux only supports this on IBM mainframes. Linux does support using hardware-wrapped keys for inline storage encryption, but those do not use this driver. >> Finally, I very much appreciate the work you have done. I don't >> expect that the QCE driver will stay BROKEN forever. This patch is >> purely a reflection of the current state of the driver, the speed of >> CPU-accelerated crypto, and the small message sizes used by the kernel= =2E >> >=20 > That may have been true when you sent the v1 but with a set of proposed= fixes > it'll no longer be the case. I trust (and have always trusted) that you can fix the driver. I apologize for not CCing you on the patch submission. >> That said, is drivers/crypto really the right place for a restricted >> content driver? A driver that uses dmabufs might be a better >> alternative, and would be easier to integrate with the Direct Renderin= g >> Manager (DRM) and Video for Linux 2 (V4L2) subsystems. >> -- >=20 > These are future plans, yes. But right now we do have active users of t= his > IP and now also a maintainer - yours truly - who stepped up and is acti= vely > working on this module. With the fixes applied, the driver will again p= ass > crypto self-tests and should not be BROKEN. With your patch, does the driver also pass stress tests, such as multiple threads using it in parallel with varying algorithms and message sizes? If so, then I agree that the driver should no longer depend on BROKEN, but I still question whether it is useful in its current form. That's not specific to QCE, though. 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