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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, David Vernet <void@manifault.com>,
	Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>,
	Changwoo Min <changwoo@igalia.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Emil Tsalapatis <emil@etsalapatis.com>,
	sched-ext@lists.linux.dev, bpf@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/8] mm: Add ptep_try_install() for lockless empty-slot installs
Date: Mon, 18 May 2026 10:06:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9ba50fd2-077e-4291-9276-9adb18186873@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260517211232.1670594-2-tj@kernel.org>

On 5/17/26 23:12, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Add ptep_try_install(ptep, new_pte): atomically set *ptep to new_pte
> iff it is currently pte_none(). Returns true on success, false if the
> slot was already populated or the arch has no implementation.
> 
> The intended caller is the upcoming bpf_arena kernel-side fault
> recovery path. The install runs from a page fault and may have to
> contend with locks already held by the faulting kernel caller, so
> keeping it lock-free via cmpxchg is the safe choice.
> 
> The generic version in <linux/pgtable.h> returns false. x86 and arm64
> override with try_cmpxchg-based implementations on the underlying
> pteval. Other architectures get the false stub - the callers there
> already fall through to oops.
> 
> Suggested-by: Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
> Suggested-by: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>
> Signed-off-by: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
> ---

[...]

>  
> +#ifndef __HAVE_ARCH_PTEP_TRY_INSTALL
> +/**
> + * ptep_try_install - atomically install an empty PTE
> + * @ptep: page table entry
> + * @new_pte: value to install
> + *
> + * Atomically set *@ptep to @new_pte iff *@ptep is pte_none(). Return
> + * true on success. Architectures opt in by providing a cmpxchg-based
> + * override. The generic stub returns false.
> + */
> +static inline bool ptep_try_install(pte_t *ptep, pte_t new_pte)
> +{
> +	return false;
> +}
> +#endif

Ehm, what?

This is a very, very, very bad generic idea/interface.

On which ptes is this supposed to be used? User ptes or kernel ptes?

Surely we don't want this on user ptes.

-- 
Cheers,

David


  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-18  8:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-17 21:12 [PATCHSET v2 sched_ext/for-7.2] bpf/arena: Direct kernel-side access Tejun Heo
2026-05-17 21:12 ` [PATCH 1/8] mm: Add ptep_try_install() for lockless empty-slot installs Tejun Heo
2026-05-18  8:06   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-05-18 19:53     ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-19  8:00       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-19  8:58         ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-19  9:05           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-19  9:40             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-17 21:12 ` [PATCH 2/8] bpf: Recover arena kernel faults with scratch page Tejun Heo
2026-05-17 21:12 ` [PATCH 3/8] bpf: Add sleepable variant of bpf_arena_alloc_pages for kernel callers Tejun Heo
2026-05-17 21:12 ` [PATCH 4/8] bpf: Add bpf_struct_ops_for_each_prog() Tejun Heo
2026-05-17 21:12 ` [PATCH 5/8] bpf/arena: Add bpf_arena_map_kern_vm_start() and bpf_prog_arena() Tejun Heo
2026-05-17 21:12 ` [PATCH 6/8] sched_ext: Require an arena for cid-form schedulers Tejun Heo
2026-05-17 21:12 ` [PATCH 7/8] sched_ext: Sub-allocator over kernel-claimed BPF arena pages Tejun Heo
2026-05-18  7:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-18 19:51     ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-18 23:26       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-05-17 21:12 ` [PATCH 8/8] sched_ext: Convert ops.set_cmask() to arena-resident cmask Tejun Heo

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