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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20260505_042415_082495_9F4BF7AC X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 20.05 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org Hi Levi, On 5/5/26 12:16, Yeoreum Yun wrote: >> Hi Ben, >> >>> Hi Levi, >>> >>> On 5/5/26 10:54, Yeoreum Yun wrote: >>>> This patch is split out from the patchset [0] -- >>>> fix FF-A call failure with pKVM when the FF-A driver is built-in, >>>> specifically the IMA-related part. >>>> >>>> When pKVM is enabled, the FF-A driver must be initialised after pKVM. >>>> Otherwise, pKVM cannot negotiate the FF-A version or obtain the RX/TX >>>> buffer information, leading to failures in FF-A calls. >>>> >>>> Currently, pKVM initialisation completes at device_initcall_sync, >>>> while ffa_init() runs at the device_initcall level. >>>> >>>> So far, linker deployes kvm_arm_init() before ffa_init(), and SMCs can >>>> still be trapped even before finalise_pkvm() is invoked. >>>> As a result, this issue has not been observed. >>>> >>>> However, relying on above stuff is fragile. >>>> Therefore, when pKVM is enabled, the FF-A infrastructure should be >>>> initialised only after pKVM initialisation has been fully finalised. >>>> >>>> To achieve this, introduce an ffa_root_dev ("arm-ffa") and >>>> a corresponding driver to defer initialisation of the FF-A infrastructure >>>> until pKVM initialisation is complete, and to defer probing of all FF-A devices until then >>>> when pKVM is enabled. >>>> >>>> This patch is based on v7.1-rc2 >>>> >>>> Question: >>>> >>>> FF-A initialisation can occur at late_initcall. Because it may be deferred, >>>> some FF-A requests cannot be serviced at that stage. >>>> A typical example is the EFI runtime variable service using DIRECT_MSG_REQ. >>>> >>>> Depending on the platform, the EFI runtime variable service runs with StandaloneMm >>>> and uses FF-A DIRECT_REQ. However, when pKVM is enabled, FF-A initialisation >>>> may be deferred to late_initcall. In this case, load_uefi_certs() >>>> can fail if it is invoked before the FF-A driver is initialised >>>> via deferred_probe_initcall(). >>>> >>>> Moving load_uefi_certs() to late_initcall_sync, as in the third patch, >>>> seems not to have any problem since late_initcall and >>>> late_initcall_sync are both of do_basic_setup() and it's before loading >>>> init process. However, it is still unclear whether >>>> it would be better to allow DIRECT_MSG_REQ in kvm_host_ffa_handler() >>> >>> The spec doesn't allow this. Looking at DEN0077A 1.2 REL0: >>> >>> Section 13.2.2 says: >>> >>> "If they are compatible, it enables them to determine which Framework functionalities can be used. Hence, negotiation of >>> the version must happen before an invocation of any other FF-A ABI." >>> >>> and a bit further down >>> >>> "Once the caller invokes any FF-A ABI other than FFA_VERSION, the version negotiation phase is complete." >>> >>> I would have thought that an SP would only go into the waiting state once the version negotiation is done. >> >> I mean the negotiation between hypervisor and ff-a driver. >> actually the version negotiation is done with SPMC in >> hyp_ffa_init() but the negotiaion between hypervisor and ff-a driver >> just choose the lower version between version requested from ff-a driver >> and negotiated version with hypervisor and SPMC. > > Sorry. re-parse the word, not choose "re-negotiate" when > FF-A driver request lowever version. > >> >> So, the version negotiation is already done with SPMC >> but with FF-A driver with hypervisor is not yet. >> However, DIRECT_MSG_REQ has supported from v1.0 >> In this situation, is there any reason not to send DIRECT_REQ_MSG? > > IOW, question is that some of ff-a request can be allowed > before version negotiation with FF-A driver but > using negotiated version via hyp_ffa_init() first or not. I don't think so. Isn't it more a continuation of the negotiation rather than a re-negotiation? Thanks, Ben > > [...] > > Thanks. >