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From: grant.likely@secretlab.ca (Grant Likely)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Request review of device tree documentation
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:08:16 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTikH6AHQZse6YX6EzT3H3MKQzob_J04my5mLWW0V@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1006141044510.13427@xanadu.home>

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, David Gibson wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:02:15PM -0600, Grant Likely wrote:
>> Indeed. ?In fact, the general rule of thumb is really "put as much as
>> possible into the most easily replaced layer of the stack". ?This is,
>> incidentally, why I've always been dubious about simple firmwares
>> supplying a flattened device tree rather than including the device
>> tree template in the kernel, cuboot style.
>
> The biggest advantage, IMHO, for adding DT to ARM, is actually to
> decouple the hardware config information and the kernel. ?If in the end
> the DT has to be shipped in the kernel then we're losing all this
> advantage over the current state of things on ARM which still works
> pretty well otherwise.
>
> In the best case, the simple firmware simply has to retrieve the
> flattened device tree from flash, and pass it to the kernel just like
> some anonymous blob. ?And the simple firmware only needs to provide a
> way for that DT blob to be updatable, like through an upload of a
> replacement blob that was prepared offline. ?Just like a ramdisk image
> or the like.
>
> That doesn't need to be fancier than that, and the goal of having the DT
> data tied to the hardware instead of the kernel is achieved.

exactly right.

g.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-14 15:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]     ` <4C13430B.5000907@firmworks.com>
     [not found]       ` <1276339529.1962.184.camel@pasglop>
     [not found]         ` <1276339684.1962.186.camel@pasglop>
     [not found]           ` <4C13B618.1030006@firmworks.com>
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     [not found]                 ` <4C146F18.9030008@firmworks.com>
2010-06-14  5:02                   ` Request review of device tree documentation Grant Likely
2010-06-14 12:44                     ` David Gibson
2010-06-14 14:59                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 15:08                         ` Grant Likely [this message]
2010-06-14 16:02                         ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 16:23                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 16:29                             ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:28                           ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:33                             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 16:58                           ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 17:26                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 18:20                               ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 19:40                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 20:08                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-06-16  6:09                             ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16  6:13                               ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16  6:17                                 ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16  6:32                                   ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16  6:47                                     ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16  7:40                                       ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16  9:45                                         ` Vladimir Pantelic
2010-06-16 10:39                                         ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16 11:41                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-16 13:48                                             ` Jamie Bennett
2010-06-16 14:39                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-16 17:43                                             ` Tim Bird
2010-06-17  6:45                                               ` Benjamin Zores
2010-06-16  6:52                                     ` M. Warner Losh
2010-06-18 22:12                                       ` Frank Rowand
2010-06-15  2:02                         ` David Gibson
2010-06-14 15:51                       ` M. Warner Losh
     [not found]                   ` <1276408773.1962.574.camel@pasglop>
2010-06-14  5:23                     ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14  7:38                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14  7:45                         ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14  9:25                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14  9:36                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14  9:47                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14 14:29                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 13:51                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 15:35                         ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 15:58                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 16:16                             ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                     ` <4C147EA5.3060500@firmworks.com>
     [not found]                       ` <1276417792.1962.731.camel@pasglop>
2010-06-14  5:36                         ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 20:00                           ` Ben Dooks
     [not found]                 ` <1276408087.1962.552.camel@pasglop>
2010-06-14  5:13                   ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14  6:09                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14  6:17                       ` Mitch Bradley

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